Seven fuel issues?

Tiny
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Vehicle can only creep a few feet in 4wd high before stalling and crapping out. Will probably only move a few inches in 2wd before stalling and crapping out. I am 90% sure I have upgraded to one-piece axles. I have replaced the carburetor with a weber 32/36 and have tried getting it to run right but can’t seem to get it going like it deserves! I have a feeling it is a fuel issue. I have just tried replacing the whole fuel system from previous contamination. Everything ‘s been changed other than the fuel lines. It also has new distributor, and it is nutter bypassed.
Friday, June 30th, 2023 AT 10:52 PM

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Tiny
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A lot of changes.

At what point in the changes did it go South?

Or

Have you made all of these changes at once?

Can you send some pics all over the engine with the breather removed?

----The Medic
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Saturday, July 1st, 2023 AT 1:42 PM
Tiny
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You are just the person I was looking forward to talking to. I almost put your name in the post asking for you to get in touch.
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Saturday, July 1st, 2023 AT 3:26 PM
Tiny
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All went South after I purchased it it idles perfect and I believe its fuel related because of a poorly sealed fuel system with a combination of different year jeep fuel parts that I have now brought back to normal correct parts.
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Saturday, July 1st, 2023 AT 3:30 PM
Tiny
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I would love to know all of the vacuum locations as well.
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Saturday, July 1st, 2023 AT 5:24 PM
Tiny
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I have 2 things that might aid you.

The 1st--Sorta forget the "304" parts and go by the 258 stuff.

https://www.2carpros.com/questions/jeep-cj7-1985-jeep-cj7-stalls-when-hot

This '82 is as close to '84 as I can get you with what I have.

I have earlier ones too.

https://oljeep.com/edge_82_tsm.html

You need to clean the leaves out of the tub's gutter behind the hood!

Keep us updated!

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Saturday, July 1st, 2023 AT 6:31 PM
Tiny
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I have to put the power steering pump back on and put my carburetor back on, and more than likely need to tune it properly because I don't believe I set it up right from new. Then I will be back with you on what's going on.
Another thing I only have like two vacuum lines, one from the distributor and one from the valve cover to the carburetor. This can't be right from the more than a dozen I have seen on previous diagrams.
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Sunday, July 2nd, 2023 AT 3:49 PM
Tiny
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Those two are "Musts"!

Another you may really need is for Power Brakes, that is if you have them (I don't on mine)

Other items that used vacuum might be eliminated, such as EGR and other emissions related stuff.

If you live in an area that tests your emissions and are not "Grandfathered In" somehow. (Some places waive the tests if the vehicle is beyond a certain age), otherwise they may want all of the stuff put back on.

Did either of the links I sent help you at all?

More pics?

I had to be given a PM to let me know that you responded.

I do not know why I did not get a notification?

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Monday, July 3rd, 2023 AT 9:20 PM
Tiny
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Hey man, can you help me make sure my jeep is timed correctly? How do I get it at top dead center 0, how do I get it to zero and then it ends up at the timing of 8°. Little confuse there.
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Monday, July 24th, 2023 AT 1:07 PM
Tiny
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I finally got it all put back together and cleaned out the leaves. I’m not sure if it is carburetor related or if it’s a timing issue but I can’t get it to stay running.
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Monday, July 24th, 2023 AT 1:08 PM
Tiny
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And what is that Dash Gauge for?
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Monday, July 24th, 2023 AT 1:12 PM
Tiny
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Set timing to 0 not able to get it to start without giving gas at carb. When I turn the distributor and try to start, nothing changes. Carb needs tuning bad. Its a weber 32/36 I got it new and installed myself.
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Tuesday, July 25th, 2023 AT 10:55 AM
Tiny
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Do you have all of the vacuum ports plugged off that are not in use?

Finding Top Dead Center (TDC)

More pics ! Especially top and driver's side

This is a 4 stroke engine it takes 2 complete crankshaft revolutions to make 1 cycle.

In doing so, the timing marks will be at zero twice.

TDC only will be achieved once. That is, TDC on the compression stroke (the stroke which fires the spark plug)(I was taught, TDC was only on the compression stroke----the exhaust stroke topping out don't count!)

In order to find which revolution TDC is at, try this procedure.

Hide your keys ( It cannot start accidentally with no keys!/Chock your wheels/ go to neutral

Remove #1 spark plug

Stick it back in, maybe 2 threads (instead of using your thumb)

Rotate the engine with a wrench or ratchet (not the starter) it's too EZ to bump it too far if you are new at this.

Clockwise as viewed from the grill.

When you hear the "hiss" coming by #1 plugSTOP! ( A friend may be helpful to hear this at #1, the other cylinders hiss internally (usually a lot fainter) when you rotate the engine manually.

Now, we are on/ beginning the compression stroke on #1 cylinder (piston has just started coming up)

We are nott up yet!

Ever so slowly rotate the engine (CW) till your timing mark (line) lines up with zero!

STOP!

YOU ARE AT TDC !

Back to finding TDC of the engine.

OK, back to our slow-motion movements!

Now look at the rotor button.

It should be facing one of the towers on the 'stributor (or close)

. Or whichever tower you chose to be #1 (textbook position or not)

The engine/ cam/ crank don't care which one it is!

As long as you were at TDC, you placed #1 spark plug wire on "that tower" (the one that rotor is pointing to)

Your firing order starts there- and runs the sequence clockwise (looking down on the distributor cap)

Note: If Mr. Distributor will not drop fully into the down position, you may have to pull it out again and turn/ tweak the oil pump's slot (center/ in the distributor hole) slightly so the "Flat Screwdriver-y" type tip of the lower end of the distributor shaft will drop into the slot and be able to drive/ turn the oil pump. I tweak it's position a little at a time with a screwdriver until it drops in.

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Thursday, July 27th, 2023 AT 8:24 PM
Tiny
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Okay, it seems to be on time but I'm still having trouble cranking, I have to give it throttle. I tried advancing and retarding the distributor and nothing helped crank I should have all vacuum to the bare necessities other than the dash gage that u labeled not sure what to do with that yet. I believe the trouble must lie within the weber 32 /36 carb I have it is not squirting out of the second carb jet no matter what, which is a problem because it is supposed to be squiring gas progressively as the throttle is pressed all the way down. I also had trouble trying to tune it, which could also be the cause.
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Saturday, July 29th, 2023 AT 7:45 PM
Tiny
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Make sure it is not sucking air somewhere! Cap/ plug/ etc any open lines.

Here's my "Dash Gauge"---it is not a must at all!

I have it to diagnose my Goods or Bads, or tuning! (It's usually goods)

Mine is The 1st scenario in the video!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrnzD7PgoHI

Here's my dash vacuum gauge---it's the top right one over the cigarette lighter

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Saturday, July 29th, 2023 AT 8:11 PM
Tiny
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Okay, where do I check I don't have power brakes and don't know where to test. I only have the vacuum at the carb for the distributor vacuum advance. And the ones out of the valve.
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Saturday, July 29th, 2023 AT 8:59 PM
Tiny
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I need to get u a picture of the engine bay again if I cant find one tonight I will take one tomorrow when the sun is out. I want to thank u for helping me try to get my ride running, I know im missing out on some fun. I havent been able to really take it out since I got it.
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Saturday, July 29th, 2023 AT 9:01 PM
Tiny
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One last thing I saw ur post about the gas lines on someone elses post. I didnt have the vent hoses on my previous gas tank the previous owner had a 70’s model tank in that was rusted inside so I replaced with a plastic tank for the correct year. But I re did it the same way the previous owner had it. I have a lot of pressure if the gas cap is screwd tight so I see a problem there as well
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Saturday, July 29th, 2023 AT 9:04 PM
Tiny
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I capped the vent holes so I didnt have any gas leaking I think I need to go back and fix that. What is ur opinion
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Saturday, July 29th, 2023 AT 9:05 PM

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