First few time ABS light came on

Tiny
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First few time ABS light came on. Recent few times the traction control light came on. One time no light came on. Shows code c121c. Shop says ABS module or PCM module. However, can't confirm which one unless it 'acts up' while driving with scanner hooked up. Fair enough, however doesn't act up on command. I contacted a place that rebuilds PCM modules, they stated because the code didn't start with a "P" they thought it was probably the ABS module. Ready to replace the ABS module from Mopar. Does anything special need to be done after swapping the part out? Thank you in advance.

Tom
Saturday, January 30th, 2021 AT 12:31 PM

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Tiny
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Hello, that is an ABS/traction control code. What you can do before you buy a new ABS module is check a few things at the ABS connector. If you have a multimeter you can check the power, ground, communications wires, just to be sure you're not losing ground or power to it. You may find a bad ground causing it to be intermittent like that. There's a diagram below showing the pin out for the ABS module. If you have the means to check it, we can walk you through at least making sure you're not losing something. I always check powers and grounds before replacing a module. It sounds like you may have a wheel speed sensor that is out. These videos will help us find the problem.

https://youtu.be/rTtAnsOlZU4

and

https://youtu.be/Pb6nXV-iamI

Please run down these guides and report back.
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Saturday, January 30th, 2021 AT 1:49 PM
Tiny
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I would like to do that. I would appreciate being walked through that process, as electrical is not my strong point. Im sure I could use a new multimeter, mine is quite old. Also the diagram you sent me was quite blurry, especially when its enlarged. I couldn't read any of the writing. Thanks for your help.

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Sunday, January 31st, 2021 AT 12:26 PM
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Sorry about that, I see it is very blurry. Here's a better one. So you should be able to do this pretty quick. the ABS connector is going to have a plastic cover on it they have to remove so you can access the pins in the back, reconnect the abs connector and start the van. Most technicians use T-pins to back probe connectors, slide the t-pin down the wire until it stops. Take your readings from the battery negative to the t-pins. So pins 1 tan/red & 32 dark green/red should be battery power all the time, so 12volts. Pins 16&47 both black wires are grounds, they should read very close to zero, no more than 0.050volts. So those are powers and grounds. Now there are 4 communications wires. Test these from battery negative as well. The first 2 are going to the PCM(power train module) engine computer and network. pin 12 white/lt blue is CANbus High, this is only going to give you an average reading with a multimeter. It should be between 2.5 and 3.5 volts. Pin 13 white/brown is CANbus low and should read 1.5&2.5 volts. If either of these is not reading correctly, for example 0 volts or 12 volts. Then there's a communication problem between the abs module and the main communications network and will need to be investigated further. Pins 18 white/dark blue & 19 white/yellow are CANbus high and low to the Dynamics Sensor/ Yaw rate sensor and network. They should read the same as the other 2 CAN bus wires. You will probably see the same readings if there's a communications problem. Now you may see everything looking ok while the problem isn't present. ABS modules seem to go bad first because of where the module is located in the engine compartment. Your main concern will be the wires I've explained here. That code is for a module failure, not necessarily a sensor going to the abs. So do those checks and if everything looks okay, change out the abs module. Further testing will require an oscilloscope to actually see the communication network and determine if it's a different module causing issues. Just be careful while inserting the t-pins, don't force them into the back of the connector. Let us know if you're missing any of the powers, grounds or communications signals. Here are a couple of guides for basic testing. You're going to have to clear any codes after replacing the abs module. Now depending if you're replacing just the module or the hydraulic portion as well, a scan tool is needed to bleed the hydraulic portion of the module. This is because the ports in the hydraulic part will need to be opened using a scantool. If you don't have access to a scantool like this, a shop with the proper equipment will have to do the hydraulic brake bleeding. Bleeding the braking system is not something to get wrong. You will not have any brakes. So please take the proper precautions.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-replace-a-abs-controller

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-use-a-voltmeter
https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-check-wiring
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Monday, February 1st, 2021 AT 6:34 AM

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