When the car is at 40km/h on speedometer the car jerks?

Tiny
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  • 2016 TOYOTA COROLLA
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  • 4 CYL
  • AUTOMATIC
  • 80,000 MILES
I purchased a used car listed above 3 months ago. From day one I noticed that there is a jerk when the car is at 40km/h on the speedometer and coming to 30km/h without touching the gas pedal or brakes.
Sometimes the speed suddenly increases (sudden acceleration) with no gas pedal being pressed.

I took the car to Toyota dealership, and they said no DTC codes, and all is fine. I do not believe the dealership. I know for sure somewhere there is a problem.

I am a DIY with all the required tools but I just need to figure out where the problem could be.
1. I have changed the Trans ATF fluid (this car is not a CVT but the traditional automatic)
2. I have cleaned the rusted ABS sensor areas (front)
3. I poured Seaform trans tune after replacing the ATF fluid.
Could it be the fluid pressure sensor or Transmission revolution sensor problem.
If so, could you please help me with which all areas to have a look into and if you could send me the diagram as I do not know the locations.

Thanks and Regards,
George
Thursday, September 12th, 2024 AT 1:16 PM

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Tiny
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Yep, it can be difficult when there are no codes, can it be the engine mounts are allowing the engine and transmission to move around and then it the noise you are hearing? If not, you could be on the right track with the turbine revolution sensor, does the tack act up as well? I have seen a crankshaft sensor cause this issue too, and again with no codes. I did notice this car has the CVT transmission and these transmission were problems FYI. Check out the images (below). Please upload pictures or videos in your response of any problems so we can see what to help you with.
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Friday, September 13th, 2024 AT 8:33 AM
Tiny
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Hi Ken,
Please read my earlier post.
I would like to give as many details I can for you to get a better understanding of the problem I am facing since 3 months.
The car is a Toyota Corolla 2016 CE Trim with the 2ZR-FE engine. 1.8 L.( Canadian).
Its a 4 speed automatic and NOT a CVT.
Its similar version is in USA but comes with the L trim.
After getting this car I have done the following since I did not have the past owner maintenance record.
1. Changed Spark plugs
2. Changed PCV valve
3. Changed Engine oil/ filter
4. Changed Engine Air flow filter.
5. Cleaned the MAF sensor
6. Replaced the battery since no label on battery when it was purchased.
7. Changed cabin air filter.
8. Cleaned the intake valve area.
9. Cleaned throttle body area.
10. Changed transmission fluid through the return radiator cooling line with around 12 quarts used in total as the fluid was dark but not burnt. Did not drop the pan. Just put in Seaform Trans Tune after changing the trans fluid.
11. Cleaned the entire front ABS speed sensors both sides which was fully rusted and cleaned the gears in the hole.
The rear side I cannot do as the Abs speed sensors are located deep inside the hub.
12. Did entire underbody rust proofing as the car was really poorly kept by the previous owner.
13. Changed the coolant since reservoir was very low and no idea whether it was ever replaced.
I have a OBDII from Innova but it can only detect engine codes etc and till date no codes.

Transmission was checked at Toyota but they say no DTC.

Could you also recommend a OBD II that will detect trans codes as I got in a Autel AL 629 which says it is suitable for trans code reading but did not work on my 2016 Corolla. I had to return it.

Do you think any trans sensor could be the culprit since the speed suddenly increases on lower gears without pushing the gas and the vehicle speed downhill will increase quickly especially in the 40km/hr and 30 km/hr mark on speedometer.

THE car is absolutely fine on highways at 100 km/r and the rpm is below 3000 at this speed.
ON idle the RPM is between 600-900 range.
Also could you send me the diagram of the 2ZR-FE ( Transmission sensor locations )
I know all the sensors related to the 2ZR-FE Engine.

Previously I owned a 2005 corolla and never faced this issue.
Regards,
George
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Friday, September 13th, 2024 AT 10:02 PM
Tiny
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Yep, I would try a revolution sensor which may not leave a code, could it be a CV axle binding up, does the problem happen when you are accelerating or just cruising?

Also, I have seen a cracked spark plug cause this problem as well so I would remove them to double check. Here is the location of the revolution sensor for the 4-speed automatic transmission. Check out the images (below). Please let us know what happens.
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Sunday, September 15th, 2024 AT 9:07 AM
Tiny
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I will get back on this issue.
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Monday, September 16th, 2024 AT 12:10 PM
Tiny
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Sounds good, have a nice day!
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Tuesday, September 17th, 2024 AT 8:12 AM
Tiny
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Hi Ken,
Could you give your valuable insight in this issue.
I took the car to a Toyota dealership.
I reported the same issue I have posted above.
They did a check and told me that no DTC codes are found and they cannot replicate the issue after a test drive and OBD check on Tech stream for trans
They charged me CAD 97 for the same. I insisted on getting the diagnostic report. They did provide.
I noticed that Engine and ECT has an update available but when I spoke with the technician he told me that since no DTC is shown he has not updated the Engiine and ECT.
What is your opinion? Did the dealership lie to me knowing this update would fix my problem.
Please give your opinion.

TIA
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Wednesday, September 18th, 2024 AT 12:26 AM
Tiny
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I dont know about the lie, but if there is an update for the ECT I would install it. Here is the location for the coolant sensor so you can see how to change it out. Check out the images (below). Let us know what you find.
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Wednesday, September 18th, 2024 AT 8:43 AM
Tiny
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Hi Ken.
The problem is still not resolved.
1. I went to the dealer again and asked them why when a Engine & ECT calibration update is available why did they not update my car.
The answer from the technician was P2610- ECM/PCM Engine off timer performance code was not present hence he did not update.
What would you suggest here? Should I force them to do the update?
2. I changed the transmission revolution sensor but after driving for 2 days still the problem persists.
3. I ordered a carfax report wherein I found that the used car dealership had changed the front wheel bearings/Hub.
I am not sure of this.
In your earlier post you mentioned CV axle binding up issue.
Could you throw some light on this as to what to do before I move further.
TIA
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Sunday, September 22nd, 2024 AT 9:36 PM
Tiny
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Can you tell what is causes the problem, engine, transmission suspension, drivetrain? They say they drive the car but cannot duplicate?
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Monday, September 23rd, 2024 AT 9:29 AM

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