Codes P0700 and P0715 How to Trouble Shoot and What to Look For

Tiny
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The car has shifted gear and engine reved up a couple of times while driving. If I pull over and shut off the engine, it returns to normal operating.

Yesterday engine light came on, but drove fine.

Had the codes checked out today. Gave two codes P0700 and P0715.


P0700

aa Transaxle control system fault
Explanation
aa ECM received a signal that the transaxle control module has a fault
Probable cause
aa1 - Shortened or open circuit within transaxle
aa2 - failure of transaxle control module


P0715

aa The ECM has detected that the input speed changed suddenly
probable cause

aa1 - Open or short circuit condition
aa2 - Poor electrical connection
aa3 - Faulty ISS

Is this one problem or more?

How does one effectively troubshoot to find the cause of the problem?

I would prefer to not replace everything if that can be avoided.
Tuesday, August 28th, 2012 AT 6:15 PM

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Tiny
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P0700 is a notification code telling you an error has been detected.

P0715 is the main cause of your problem.

P0715-INPUT SPEED SENSOR ERROR

When Monitored and Set Condition:

When Monitored: The transmission gear ratio is monitored continuously while the transmission is in gear.

Set Condition: If there is an excessive change in the Input RPM in any gear.

Possible causes:

Input speed sensor signal circuit open.
Speed sensor ground circuit open.
Input speed sensor signal circuit short to ground.
Input speed sensor signal circuit short to voltage.
Speed sensor ground circuit short to voltage.
Input speed sensor.
Power-train control module.
Intermittent wiring and connectors.
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Tuesday, August 28th, 2012 AT 6:45 PM
Tiny
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Thanks for the reply.

The current plan is to replace the input and output sensors. Hoping the inexpensive repair does the trick. The results we are hoping for is that the code clears, the check engine light goes off and the problem is corrected.

If that does not work, does it make sense that the problem is with the TCM? Would that be the next logical replacement?

Beyond that, what else might have to be considered?
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Wednesday, August 29th, 2012 AT 1:50 AM
Tiny
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Before replacement of parts, you should test the circuitry to confirm if there are any open or shorted circuits.

Start by check the sensor connectors. Sometimes connectors gets contaminated by the presence of liquids or the terminals loosened up.

Replacing parts and hoping it solves the problem is not the correct way and it can be costly and time wasting.

Here is a guide and the transmission wiring diagrams so you can test the connections:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-check-wiring

Check out the diagrams (below).

Please let us know what you find. We are interested to see what it is.

Cheers
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Wednesday, August 29th, 2012 AT 10:36 AM
Tiny
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I checked the wiring and it was all okay so I replaced the input shaft speed sensor and everything started working okay. Here is the diagrams I used.

Thanks for your help.
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Wednesday, August 29th, 2012 AT 2:13 PM
Tiny
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Nice work, we are here to help, please use 2CarPros anytime.

Cheers
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Thursday, August 30th, 2012 AT 8:00 AM
Tiny
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JAMSFOWLER, would you please forward the procedure you got from KHLOW2008 to me also. I will appreciate it greatly. I have the same trouble with my Chrysler Town and Country.
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Sunday, April 29th, 2018 AT 11:07 AM
Tiny
KEN L
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Hello,

It looks like the input speed sensor is bad and needs to be replaced. Here is the location.

Check out the diagrams (below).

Please let us know what you find.

Cheers, Ken
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Tuesday, May 1st, 2018 AT 11:24 AM
Tiny
INGRID1234
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Hi Ken, I replaced the input speed sensor but the problem has not gone away. If anything, it feels even worse. Do I need to replace the TCM too?
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Wednesday, May 9th, 2018 AT 5:39 PM
Tiny
KEN L
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Okay, then itbis going to be the connection or the computer. To determine which follow this wiring guides it show how to test.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-check-wiring

Here are the wiring diagrams for the computer/engine/transmission.

Check out the diagrams (below). Please let us know what you find.

Cheers, Ken
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Thursday, May 10th, 2018 AT 4:25 PM
Tiny
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Thank you Ken and everyone else. The problem with my transmission was electrical as you suggested. I followed your guidelines and checked all circuits and they were all fine except one of the connectors was corroded and I fixed that. Then I replaced both the input and the output speed sensors on the transmission and my transmission was fixed. My car now rides great again. Thanks again!
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Saturday, June 30th, 2018 AT 4:09 AM
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Nice work, we are here to help, please use 2CarPros anytime.

Cheers, Ken
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Saturday, June 30th, 2018 AT 11:52 AM
Tiny
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I the car does not move when I shift; but the engine RPM fluctuate but no weight is put on the engine.

I throw p0720 and p0715. I replaced the input sensor and no change. I haven’t changed the output yet. But I still think it might be TCM related. Does error really mean something is out of place inside? I am inclined to think that them both going out at the same time is kind of strange.
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Saturday, October 3rd, 2020 AT 8:46 PM
Tiny
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This does sounds TCM related because both sensor monitoring system went out at the same time here is the location so you can check the connector for corrosion and replace it if the connections are clean. Here is the quick relearn and location below

QUICK LEARN
The Quick Learn function customizes adaptive parameters of the control module to the transmission characteristics of a vehicle. This gives the customer improved "as received" shift quality compared to the initial parameters stored in the control module.

Notes about Quick Learn Features

The nature of the Quick Learn function requires that certain features must be taken into consideration.
- Quick Learn should generally not be used as a repair procedure unless directed by a repair or diagnostic procedure. If the transmission system is exhibiting a problem that you think is caused by an invalid CVI, you should try to relearn the value by performing the appropriate driving maneuvers. In most cases, if Quick Learn makes a vehicle shift better, the vehicle will return with the same problem.
- Before performing Quick Learn, it is imperative that the vehicle be shifted into OD with the engine running and the oil level set to the correct level. This step will purge air from the clutch circuits to prevent erroneous clutch volume values, which could cause poor initial shift quality.
- If a new control module is installed on a vehicle with a HOT engine, Quick Learn will cause the control module to report a cold calculated oil temperature. This requires monitoring the calculated oil temperature using the DRBIII. If the temperature is below 15 C(60° F), the transmission must be run at idle or driven in gear until the temperature goes above 15 C (60° F). If the temperature is above 93C (200° F), the transmission must cool to below 93 C (200° F).
- First gear is engaged in overdrive after Quick Learn is completed. Place the vehicle in park after performing Quick Learn.

The Quick Learn function should be performed:
- Upon installation of a new service control module
- After replacement or rebuild of internal transmission components or the torque converter
- If one or more of the clutch volumes indexes (CVI's) contain skewed readings because of abnormal conditions.

To perform the Quick Learn procedure, the following conditions must be met.
- It is imperative that the vehicle be shifted into OD with the engine running and the oil level set to the correct level. This step will purge the air in the clutch circuits to prevent erroneous clutch volume values, which could cause poor initial shift quality.
- Place the selector lever in neutral.
- The brakes must be applied.
- The engine must be idling.
- The throttle angle (TP sensor) must be less than 3 degrees.
- The shift lever position must stay in neutral until prompted to shift into OD.
- The shift lever must stay in OD after the "Shift to Overdrive" prompt until the DRBIII indicates the procedure is complete.
- The oil temperature must be between 15 C (60°) and 93 C (200° F).

NOTE: The above conditions must be maintained during the procedure to keep the procedure from being aborted.

The Quick Learn procedure is performed with the DRBIII by selecting "Transmission" system then "Miscellaneous" functions, then "Quick Learn". Follow the procedure instructions displayed on the DRBIII.

Check out the diagrams (below). Please let us know what happens.
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