Overheating?

Tiny
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One more, I think I may have forgotten to mention: when it overheats, and I shut it down, the two fans stop also. I’d think the fans should still be running once the ignition is off for a while if the engine is hot but I don’t know...
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Tuesday, May 30th, 2023 AT 5:01 PM
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Okay. So, I took it out today on a 5-mile run in city, country and fwy driving. The temperature stayed right at 190 (normal). It wasn’t until I got back home that it began to overheat (in the driveway, idling. On that 5-mile trip I drove it like I stole it).

The AC worked; the heat worked. The top and bottom radiator hoses were hot and firm.

Neither fan turned on until the temp gauge reached 2 lines past normal, then they both turned on high but couldn’t cool the engine down. I revved the engine to 35k RPMs which brought the temperature down to almost normal. While idling afterwards the temp gauge went back up in short time.

I’ve read these fans should kick on before it overheats and stay on afterwards (when the ignition is off to help cool the engine - this didn’t happen). I’m about to replace the fan control module, the radiator fan switch and the coolant temperature switch (all of which I’ve done before, which didn’t make a difference, using parts I’ve bought from Amazon at a fraction of the cost of OEM parts). The OEM parts are about $450 together, but I’m at my wits end. Am I being crazy? Replacing parts I already have? But, maybe I need to do OEM and it will solve all my problems? I’m stumped.
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Wednesday, May 31st, 2023 AT 5:56 PM
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Hi,

You aren't being crazy. These things can cause a person to go crazy. As far as it not turning the fans on until it already has overheated, we have a sensor not working.

Do me a favor. The 8th digit of the VIN should be a K, L, or a T. Let me know which you have. Also, I found the temperatures when the fan should turn on. I attached it below.

Let me know.

Joe.

See pic below.
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Thursday, June 1st, 2023 AT 8:26 PM
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Thanks Joe! That is helpful!
The 8th letter on the VIN is an M.
Since I’ve replaced all those parts, how would I locate a bad sensor? I’m good with nuts and bolts but multimeters have always been a mystery to me...
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Friday, June 2nd, 2023 AT 6:54 AM
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Hi,

Just for curiosity, how close to the temperatures I listed do the fans turn on? As far as the coolant temperature sensor is concerned, I attached a pic below of the location. In red, I circled a plastic horseshoe-shaped clip. First, disconnect the electrical connector and inspect it. If it is good, then when the engine is cold, gently press down on the sensor and remove that clip. Pull straight up on the sensor to remove it. Have a new one ready to install to prevent too much coolant loss. Lubricate the new o-ring with coolant before installing it. Gently press the new sensor into position and reinstall the plastic clip and connector.

See if this takes care of the issue.

Let me know.

Joe
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Friday, June 2nd, 2023 AT 7:35 PM
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Hi Joe. Hard to say about fans cause I’m just going by the temp gauge inside the car. The fans come on when the needle reaches almost two lines above the middle 190 mark. And as for that sensor, in the radiator, I’ve switched that out already with no difference (along with the fan control module).
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Saturday, June 3rd, 2023 AT 10:29 AM
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If the fans turn on at 190, that's actually too soon. The thermostat isn't designed to fully open until it reaches 195 F.

As far as the sensor, the one I'm referring to isn't on the radiator. Was it replaced as well?

Let me know.

Joe
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Saturday, June 3rd, 2023 AT 10:07 PM
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Oh, sorry. Yes, the sensor in the radiator and the one I think you’re talking about (in the hose near the block which sends info to the gauge in the dash of the car) have both been replaced.

And got it. The issue with the fans turning on is that they don’t turn on until the engine has already begun to over heat, and at that point can’t cool it down. Also, they turn off when I turn off the ignition, even if the engine is at an over heated state (I’ve heard they are suppose to continue until the engine cools down when car is off).
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Sunday, June 4th, 2023 AT 9:07 AM
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Hi,

The only thing left would be to have the computer updated if there is an update available. That is something you would need a dealer to do. I wish I had a better answer, but you've done a lot already.

Let me know.

Joe
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Sunday, June 4th, 2023 AT 9:23 PM
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Thanks Joe. Never heard of a dealer computer update for these cars.
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Tuesday, June 6th, 2023 AT 5:56 PM
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Hi,

I'm not showing one under any technical service bulletins. However, I don't have the most updated info from VW. You may want to contact a dealer and ask if there are any updates related.

The only reason I'm suggesting this is because you have already done so much work. There really isn't anything other. If the cooling fans are turning on too late and the sensors and PCM are recognizing the temperature, something is preventing the PCM from turning the fans on sooner. In my mind, which sounds like a programming issue. I've been wrong before and will be again, but that is what is making sense to me at this point.

Let me know.

Joe
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Tuesday, June 6th, 2023 AT 8:48 PM
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Thanks Joe.
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Wednesday, June 7th, 2023 AT 9:32 AM

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