Replaced valve body still had hard shift - replaced TRS LP fuse NOW will not shift

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Yes, this is with the new sonnax valve body.

Just curious is 285 psi low, high or what you would expect?
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Sunday, January 29th, 2012 AT 3:00 PM
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175Psi or greater is min for the pumps max output but I like to see over 200psi.285Psi is on the high side but with the sonnax upgraded pressure regulator sleeve the can run that high. The four valve bodies I rebuilt with the sonnax upgrades were about that pressure for max pressure. You need to get a good pressure gauge like I said. Also try your old valve body again.
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Sunday, January 29th, 2012 AT 5:26 PM
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Here are my readings with a 600 psi gauge and the original valve body.

P - 50 psi
r - 50 psi
n - 50 psi
d - 50 psi
3 - 50 psi
2 - 50 psi

When I pulled the TRS LP fuse I read the following pressures.

P - 260 psi
r - 250 psi
n - 180 psi
d - 240 psi
3 - 240 psi
2 - 240 psi

Do you rebuild valve bodies. Do you still think the valve body is my problem?
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Friday, February 3rd, 2012 AT 2:08 AM
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As far as a high low reading in park with the fuse in and out those reading look almost what you should except you usually see 60psi in park with the fuse in but 50psi isnt the end of the world. Now it looks like a control issue from the pcm. Theres a couple of things you need to that you cant do because they require a tech2 scan tool that the gm dealers have. That would be to do a audiable actuator check which you command the pcm to buzz each actuator while you listen for the actautor to buzz. Then whats called a step pressure test Which you hook up the pressure gauge and the computer will command the pressures to different pressures. The commanded pressure has to be within 10psi of the commanded pressures. That tests the valve bodies abilites to command the pressures that the pcm is sending to the valve body.
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Friday, February 3rd, 2012 AT 2:27 AM
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Is one option to get a new PCM. I have seen them on ebay. If I purchase a PCM that is for my engine, do I have to do anything to it once I have it other then simply install it into the car?

Or am I wasting my money and need to take my car to the dealership. How much do these tests cost from the dealer (ballpark)?
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Saturday, February 4th, 2012 AT 2:21 AM
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If you replaced the pcm you would have to probably relearn the pass lock sensor no big deal. It sounds like the valve body working the oringal one that you repaired bassed on the pressure readings with the fuse in and out and the car in park. It looks to like the pressure isnt being control by the pcm correctly when putting it in reverse and drive from your pressure readings. It code be a pcm or wiring issue within the connector going to your valve body. Without diagnoses were just guessing. As far as diagnoses at the dealership its going to be 1-2hrs diagnoses times shop labor rate.
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Saturday, February 4th, 2012 AT 3:50 AM
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I have replaced the pcm and know the car will not start. You wrote:

If you replaced the pcm you would have to probably relearn the pass lock sensor no big deal.

So how do I relearn the pass lock sensor? Is this something I can do or do I have to take the car to a dealer?
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Thursday, February 9th, 2012 AT 1:06 AM
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I found the passlock procedure online and the car now starts.

Here are my results with the new PCM.

Here are my readings with a 600 psi gauge and the original valve body and new PCM.

P - 50 psi
r - 240 psi - no slam
n - 50 psi
d - 120 psi - no slam
3 - 120 psi - no slam
2 - 120 psi - no slam

Test drive:

The first time I put the car in drive and went down the road it shifted into 2nd and 3rd (no slam), then it revved high rpm's and would not shift into 4th.

I came to a complete stop and starting going again and the car revved in high rpm's and would not shift into 2nd.

So as it stands right now the car will shift into reverse with no slam. The car will go into drive with no slam but will not shift into 2nd. The pressure gauge reads between 100 - 120 psi from putting my foot on the gas and then reaching high rpm's.

Also, when I put the car in reverse I her buzzing and then the car goes into reverse (buzzing stops) with 240 psi reading (no slam).

I put the car in drive, 2nd or 3rd and I hear the buzzing which never stops the whole time I am in that gear the gauge reads from 100 - 120 psi no higher no matter how many rpm's I rev to.

The car also does the non-stop buzzing in neutral.
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Thursday, February 9th, 2012 AT 3:01 AM
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Your pressures look good now so it shifts good except it wont go into 2nd gear?
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Thursday, February 9th, 2012 AT 4:13 AM
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Yes, it shifts into reverse good. There is no slam and I only hear the actuator buzzing for a few seconds.

However, when I put the car into drive it will not shift into second. The actuator starts buzzing when I put the car into drive and it never stop buzzing.

Any thought? Is there anything I can check or try?
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Thursday, February 9th, 2012 AT 10:44 PM
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I got this out of the ATSG service manual.

Second Gear: At a predetermined point based on throttle
position, vehicle speed and temperature, the PCM will
command a shift into second gear by turning off the
2nd/Reverse actuator (Solenoid). When this occurs, oil
pressure is sent to apply the clutches in the 2nd/Reverse
clutch on the main shaft. This locks the 2nd/Reverse drive
gear to the main shaft which causes a ratio change (1.17 or
1.56) freewheeling the one-way clutch (The first clutch
drum remains applied but is ineffective with the one-way
clutch freewheeling).

Based upon what is says the PCM is not turning off the 2nd/Reverse solenoid. I have the transmission temp. Sensor removed so that I can read the transmission pressure. Could this be causing the problem? Did I get a bad PCM? Do you think it could be something else?
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Thursday, February 9th, 2012 AT 11:46 PM
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Yes when there is no voltage going to the 2nd gear solenoid then 2nd gear clutch pack gets fluid pressure. Reverse doesnt have its own clutch pack or solenoid ao it uses 2nd gears. Does it even try to go into 2nd gear when the transmission is shifting thru the gears?Do you have a code P0732 second ratio error code setting?It should still shift into 2nd gear even with the transmission temp sensor unplugged.
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Friday, February 10th, 2012 AT 4:54 AM
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Here are all the error codes.

P0113 - intake air temperature (IAT) - The air cleaner is disconnected
P0713 - automatic transmission fluid temperature (TFT) - The sensor is disconnected because of pressure gauge
P0732 - Gear 2 Incorrect ratio
P0733 - Gear 3 incorrect (incorrect gear ratio detected)
P0734 - Gear 4 incorrect (incorrect gear ratio detected)
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Saturday, February 11th, 2012 AT 2:52 PM
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So it shifts from first to 3rd then 4th and skips shifting into 2nd?Do any of the gears slip?The pressures are looking good. Have you tried driving the car and having someone watch the pressures while you drive and the transmission shifts?
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Monday, February 13th, 2012 AT 7:58 PM
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That is not correct. Here is exactly what it is doing.

I start by disconnecting and then reconnecting the battery to clear out remembered shift points. I also clear and OBD codes.

I let the car warm up.

I go through the gears while in the garage.

Park is around 55 psi.

Reverse works great buzzes then goes to 240 psi no slam.

Neutral 55 psi with non-stop buzzing.

Drive 2nd 3rd is around 100 psi with non-stop buzzing.

Now I road test the car.

I back out of garage reverse drops to 55 psi buzzes and goes to 240 psi (no slam).

I am on the street. I put the car in drive. It shifts into 2nd (no slam), it shifts into 3rd (no slam), when it should shift into 4th it DOES NOT it revs very high but WILL NOT shift into 4th.

I stop the car, then go again (second attempt to go thru the forward gears). With the gear selector in drive the car rapidly fluctuates between 80-100 psi but DOES NOT SHIFT ever.

I stop the car and then put gear selector into 2nd gear. When I put my foot on the gas (gear selector in 2nd) it will rapidly fluctuate between 80-100 psi and gets up to about 15 mph max, then when I take my foot off the gas it shoots up 240 psi. I step on the gas it goes down to 55 psi. I take my foot off the gas and it shoots up to 240 psi.

It will then keep repeating this cycle foot on the gas 55 psi, foot off the gas 240 psi.
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Monday, February 13th, 2012 AT 11:58 PM
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80-100psi in drive is too low it should be around 130psi thats why it wont shift and in drive it shouldnt ever shoot up to 240psi that is for reverse only. So looks like we have a pressure issue. So this is the oringal valve body were dealing with correct?If so we need to split the valve body into two pieces and take apart the pressure regulator in the upoer half of the valve body. You have to be careful because the pressure regulator is spring loaded. So we need to face the pressue regulator bore towards the work bench when removing the retaining clip. Then you can see if the pressure regulator has scoring marks from stick any broken springs etc.
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Tuesday, February 14th, 2012 AT 7:06 PM
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Yes, this is the original valve body. So does it appear to be a valve body issue, a PCM issue, a transmission issue or something else?
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Wednesday, February 15th, 2012 AT 12:37 AM
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Its not going to be a transmission issue because the pressures are not right. You already replaced the pcm they dont go bad that often.I would check the pressure regulator and springs in the pressure regulator bore in the valve body. Thats what I check. Most of the issues with shifting etc is caused by a issue with the pressure regulator in the valve body.
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Wednesday, February 15th, 2012 AT 1:08 AM
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Would I be better off in re-purchasing a valve body from the store that rebuilt them and inserted a sonnax sleeve. What are my options if I do take apart my valve body and find scoring marks or a broken spring? What if I find nothing?
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Wednesday, February 15th, 2012 AT 1:17 AM
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The person that I purchased the sonnax sleeve valve body from (which I returned) has offered to go thru my valve body. Here is what he wrote:

The last valve body checked in good. I resold it and it worked fine for the next customer. I feel that you have a problem other than the valve body. I assume that you cannot drive your car. If you sent me your valve body, I will go through it and send it back to you at a cost much lower than what I list the ones on ebay for. If I don't find anything out of the ordinary it would only cost you two new gaskets, return shipping and a small labor charge, say $20.00 for a total around $50.00. Let me know. Ken

Should I take him up on his offer or would I be better off getting a rebuilt valve body if it comes to that?
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Wednesday, February 15th, 2012 AT 1:30 AM

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