Which bearing is making noise from my transmission?

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DRCRANKNWRENCH
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With the mileage on your car it could be an input shaft bearing. However, if it shifts good and seems to behave otherwise, Hondas are prety tough and the bearings last for a long time.

The throwout bearing is definately bda as when you put pressure on it, the moise goes away. If it were the input shaft, the noise might even get louder as doing this allows the input shaft more freedom to move around becasue the clutch plate is free to move and it is attached to the end of the input shaft. Also, your pilot bearing is in need of replacement as well.
Depending on what you plan to do with the car, you can fix this in 2 ways. You can get a kit with a friction plate, pressure plate, thrwout bearing and pilot bearing. The other option is to just get a friction plate and you usually have to get the pilot and throwout seperately in that case. Some companies will include them but not many. The problem with the friction plate only is that the pressure plate cannot be re-surfaced and the friction plate might not engage smoothly after break in.
You will also have to re-surface the flywheel if you want to do it the right way with the full clutch kit.
Getting just the friction plate and bearings is just a patch and can cause vibration and other issues, but it will work for a while. If you plan to drive it till it dies and not keeping it for long, jsut patch it.
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Thursday, May 4th, 2017 AT 10:10 AM (Merged)
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Transmission problem
1997 Honda Civic 4 cyl Front Wheel Drive Manual 119Km miles

There is an intermittent noise coming from the transmission. The noise is a clunka. Clunka. Clunka type which is in synchronism with the engine RPM ONLY WHEN the clutch is out. The noise occurs in neutral, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and reverse. It seems to get quieter in the higher gears. The interesting part is that the noise can stop altogether - and transmission noises sound normal - until the engine RPM reaches about 3000, then the noise restarts.
I have checked the transmission oil level - OK.
Looking into the the bell housing where the release fork is I've noticed what looks like a scoring mark on the pressure plate. With the clutch engaged (pedal pushed in) the noise stops. The pressure plate is still rotating of course but I'm wondering if the plate is loose somehow and pressure on it from the release bearing is pushing it up against the flywheel moving it away from whatever is touching and scoring it.
I hope it is a loose pressure plate and not something internal in the gearbox.
Any ideas?
Jeff.
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Thursday, May 4th, 2017 AT 10:10 AM (Merged)
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Hi Jeff,

Seems smething is loose or has dropped into the bell housing and might require the trans to be removed to verify.

Remove the splash shield under trans and engine to check if you can see anything.
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Thursday, May 4th, 2017 AT 10:10 AM (Merged)
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I took the splash shield off. It only revealed the flywheel. However nothing fell out. There is a bit of oil in this area. Looks like its coming from the main bearing seal. The engine oil level has never been a problem though. See pic.
I had another look at the pressure plate. The marks on the plate I mentioned before look more like tool marks not scoring marks.

The only thing I can think of that may have damaged the trans. is driving though flood water. What usually happens is after a few hours is the clutch plate and flywheel become stuck together. After the car is started it sometimes won't go into gear. So I turn the engine off, put it in first, push the clutch in and then start it. The car of course lurches forward until the clutch is unstuck. I cant see the starter generating enough torque to brake trans. parts. I don't remember any trans. noise straight away though.


https://www.2carpros.com/forum/automotive_pictures/418118_Civic_flywheel_2.jpg

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Thursday, May 4th, 2017 AT 10:11 AM (Merged)
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Intermittent noise is not likely to be due to trans internal components failing.

From the symptom description, it should be external. Does depressing the clutch slightly cause the noise pevel or pitch to change?
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Thursday, May 4th, 2017 AT 10:11 AM (Merged)
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No. Only beyond the clutch take up position does the noise stop. You can hear the noise decrease in pitch to nothing as the momentum of the clutch plate and main shaft spin down. Takes about 1 second. I could make a recording of it and send it to you if you like.

Jeff.
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Thursday, May 4th, 2017 AT 10:11 AM (Merged)
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So we can conclude that the noise is present when the main shaft is turning.

Worn trans internal bearings would produce whining noises instead of what you have described. The only possibllity of the described noise is a bad bearing, one of the balls is cracked or rough thus causing the noise.

Looks like you would have to at least drop the trans to check out.

The problem of the clutch sticking after going through floods should not be the cause of the problem. However water getting into the trans or any external bearings would.
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Thursday, May 4th, 2017 AT 10:11 AM (Merged)
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Yes, I guess one of the main shaft bearings is the problem. However if I push the clutch in while the car is moving the noise diminishes. Only under load does the noise increase in volume. Looks like I'm in for an expensive repair anyway.
Thank you very much for your time and expertise.

Jeff.
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Thursday, May 4th, 2017 AT 10:11 AM (Merged)
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You are welcomed and too bad this is something that cannot be avoided.

Thank you for using 2carpros.
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Transmission problem
1997 Honda Civic 4 cyl Front Wheel Drive Manual 135000 miles

When my car is running idle in neutral the transmission makes a grinding type of noise. When I step on the clutch the noise goes away. Is this a clutch issue or bearing inside the transmission?
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Thursday, May 4th, 2017 AT 10:11 AM (Merged)
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I've seen this noise be both the transmission input shaft bearing (inside the transmission) as well as the clutch release bearing (a clutch bearing).

My recommendation: Pull the transmission and check the release bearing first, if it is not the culprit, it's the input shaft bearing located inside the transmission.
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Transmission problem
1998 Honda Civic 4 cyl Front Wheel Drive Automatic 150000 miles

while driving thecar acts like its been dropped into neutral turn the car off right back on it goes drive awhile then its like you dropped it into neutral turn off right back on it goes I hear no noise at all
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Hi nick1980,

Did you check the trans fluid level and condition?
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