Welch plug popped out

Tiny
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  • 2005 TOYOTA LANDCRUISER
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I had a recon engine put in - a 1KZTE.
I did about 8,000 km and the Welch plug popped out at the back of the head.

I had a 1kzte engine installed on 15 April 2018
On 15 September Welch plug at the back popped out. I was towing an empty 3 ton trailer I have done 17,000kms on it I have since found out the radiator had numerous leaks at the top and bottom.

Would it have it been the radiator that caused this?
There is no other fault and I have had the engine block looked at

What caused this to occur?
Engine is now stuffed.
Tuesday, November 27th, 2018 AT 3:34 AM

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Tiny
STEVE W.
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Either the plug was not installed correctly or there was an issue with it being the correct size. Did the engine overheat? How long was it run hot? If a short time you might be able to put on a different head and gasket and revive it. I would probably do a compression test and a leak down test, just to see what you still have.
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Tuesday, November 27th, 2018 AT 2:39 PM
Tiny
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Yes engine overheated.
But I have found out that that radiator had numerous leaks at the bottom and top.
I did about 17,000km.
Would of it been the Welch plug or radiator that caused the Welch plug to pop out?
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Tuesday, November 27th, 2018 AT 11:28 PM
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Well if the coolant got low and turned to steam and the head got hot, that may have made it fail. Really hard to tell which way it went though. I would still test it, I have seen a few engines surprise me after I was sure they were fried.
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Wednesday, November 28th, 2018 AT 5:54 AM
Tiny
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There were two leaks at the top header of radiator.
Everyone keeps telling me that is the Welch plug?
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Friday, December 7th, 2018 AT 12:36 PM
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There are a few types of plugs used on engines. There are the Core plugs these look like a cup with straight edges. Then there are Welch plugs, these are simple domed round parts, then there are threaded pipe plugs. Those are the ones in the images attached. In the last picture you see an engine kit for a GM, it uses all three types, as do most engines made these days.
I have seen radiators with plugs in them but not often. If they use one of those styles of plug it could come out under pressure to prevent other damage. Because this is a diesel the compression pressure is much higher. If the head gasket was compromised that pressure could easily push out a core plug or break a radiator. However a bad radiator could have leaked enough to cause an overheat which could also do the same. Determining which way things went would require a full inspection and even then it would be a toss up if it was correct.
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Friday, December 7th, 2018 AT 1:24 PM
Tiny
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The Welch plug was missing from rear of cylinder head.
It was a Recon long fueled exchange engine.
I have been told even if you pull it apart it is not going to tell you much.
The mechanics who installed the engine did not service radiator in installation.
I did 17,000 kms and had two services.

No coolant leaks were noticed, however when I towed a trailer for the first time, this is when the car seized.
I have been told it could be the radiator and I have also been told, it could be the Welch plug because they should not pop out.
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Friday, December 7th, 2018 AT 1:56 PM
Tiny
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Do you do full inspections on site?
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Friday, December 7th, 2018 AT 1:58 PM
Tiny
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That should have been a cup style. From the appearance of the bore that can be seen it looks like the plug that was used was a bit undersized. Also looks like they used a bit of sealer, which is not uncommon but really should not be needed if it is the correct plug. Another possibility was that the plug was not installed straight into the hole. If they are installed at an angle they will not seal properly and can fail.
You did not find the plug by chance? It would show far more.
We only perform online assistance here. Sorry.
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Friday, December 7th, 2018 AT 2:45 PM
Tiny
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Thanks Steve.
How do I prove it was the Welch plug and not something else?
The mechanic who received the vehicle did a check over and could only find the Welch plug missing and the only other thing was the radiator holes at top of core.
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Friday, December 7th, 2018 AT 3:07 PM
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That is the hard part. Sort of like the circular argument over the chicken or the egg. If it is a metal radiator core you might find corrosion or damage near the holes, that could show the radiator was failing. However, it does not really say which failed first. One thing that could show which it was would be how it overheated. If it was running at normal temperature and then you had a sudden spike, lots of steam and a large puddle it would point more toward the core plug as it would dump coolant very fast. Probably your best bet would be the have the shop look it over and see which they say caused the failure as they can actually see it all in person.
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Friday, December 7th, 2018 AT 4:50 PM
Tiny
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Thanks Steve.
You have been very helpful.
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Friday, December 7th, 2018 AT 4:55 PM
Tiny
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Sorry, I cannot give you a definite answer. I take it the company/person who did the re-man work is balking at replacement? Good luck. I hope they either stand behind their product or at the very least offer to pay the labor to repair the issue.
Thank you for using 2CarPros.
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Friday, December 7th, 2018 AT 5:08 PM

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