Timing chain ID

SKULLJER

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2005 CADILLAC CTS
3.6L
6 CYL
2WD
AUTOMATIC
130,000 MILES

Well, beings the car is a 2005 I would think it has a first design timing chain setup, but from what I am gathering from trying to purchase a timing kit on Ebay, the first design has roller cam chains and a silent link primary chain. But my setup on my 2005, VIN 7 3.6 has all three of the silent link style chains which I think I found but then they describe the primary chain having 96 links and the cam chains having 114 links. My primary chain has 48 links and cam chains have 57 links. I cannot find anything setup like I have. What is the deal?

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JACOBANDNICKOLAS

MECHANIC
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Welcome to 2CaroPros.

I looked up the OEM part numbers for you. Use them to cross reference chains from other manufacturer's.

As far as getting the part online, buyer beware. You don't want to get the wrong or a cheap duplicate of this one. I have a feeling you are seeing the timing chains for other engines that came in the vehicle.

Here are the OEM numbers:

12590920 is the primary

12589011 Is the secondary.

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I don't know if you need it, but here are the directions for replacement. It is broken down to left and right secondary and primary. The attached pictures correlate with these directions.

I will separate each one to help avoid confusion.

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SECONDARY CAMSHAFT INTERMEDIATE DRIVE CHAIN REPLACEMENT - LEFT

Removal Procedure
1. Remove the engine front cover. See: Timing Cover > Procedures > Engine Front Cover Replacement

2. Remove the right bank secondary camshaft drive chain tensioner. See: Engine > Overhaul > 23. Secondary Timing Chain Tensioner Removal - Right

3. Remove the right bank secondary camshaft drive chain shoe. See: Engine > Overhaul > 24. Secondary Camshaft Drive Chain Shoe Removal - Right

4. Remove the right bank secondary camshaft drive chain guide. See: Engine > Overhaul > 25. Secondary Timing Chain Guide Removal - Right

5. Remove the right bank secondary camshaft drive chain. See: Engine > Overhaul > 26. Secondary Camshaft Intermediate Drive Chain Removal - Right

6. Remove the primary camshaft drive chain tensioner. See: Engine > Overhaul > 27. Primary Camshaft Intermediate Drive Chain Tensioner Removal

7. Remove the primary upper camshaft drive chain guide. See: Engine > Overhaul > 28. Primary Timing Chain Guide Removal - Upper

8. Remove the primary camshaft drive chain. See: Engine > Overhaul > 30. Primary Camshaft Intermediate Drive Chain Removal

9. Remove the right bank camshaft intermediate drive chain idler. See: Engine > Overhaul > 31. Timing Chain Idler Sprocket Removal - Right

10. Remove the left bank secondary camshaft drive chain tensioner. See: Engine > Overhaul > 32. Secondary Timing Chain Tensioner Removal - Left

11. Remove the left bank secondary camshaft drive chain shoe. See: Engine > Overhaul > 33. Secondary Camshaft Drive Chain Shoe Removal - Left

12. Remove the left bank secondary camshaft drive chain guide. See: Engine > Overhaul > 34. Secondary Timing Chain Guide Removal - Left

13. Remove the left bank camshaft intermediate drive chain idler. See: Engine > Overhaul > 36. Timing Chain Idler Sprocket Removal - Left

See Picture 1

14. Remove the left bank secondary camshaft drive chain. See: Engine > Overhaul > 35. Secondary Camshaft Intermediate Drive Chain Removal - Left

15. Clean and inspect all of the camshaft timing drive components. Replace components as necessary. See: Engine > Overhaul > 71. Camshaft Timing Drive Components Clean and Inspect

Installation Procedure

See Picture 1

1. Install the left bank secondary camshaft drive chain. See: Engine > Overhaul > 116. Secondary Camshaft Intermediate Drive Chain Installation - Left

2. Install the left bank camshaft intermediate drive chain idler. See: Engine > Overhaul > 115. Timing Chain Idler Sprocket Installation - Left

3. Install the left bank secondary camshaft drive chain guide. See: Engine > Overhaul > 117. Secondary Timing Chain Guide Installation - Left

4. Install the left bank secondary camshaft drive chain shoe. See: Engine > Overhaul > 118. Secondary Camshaft Drive Chain Shoe Installation - Left

5. Install the left bank secondary camshaft drive chain tensioner. See: Engine > Overhaul > 119. Secondary Timing Chain Tensioner Installation - Left

6. Install the right bank camshaft intermediate drive chain idler. See: Engine > Overhaul > 120. Timing Chain Idler Sprocket Installation - Right

7. Install the primary camshaft drive chain. See: Engine > Overhaul > 121. Primary Camshaft Intermediate Drive Chain Installation

8. Install the primary upper camshaft drive chain guide. See: Engine > Overhaul > 123. Primary Timing Chain Guide Installation - Upper

9. Install the primary camshaft drive chain tensioner. See: Engine > Overhaul > 124. Primary Camshaft Intermediate Drive Chain Tensioner Installation

10. Install the right bank secondary camshaft drive chain. See: Engine > Overhaul > 125. Secondary Camshaft Intermediate Drive Chain Installation - Right

11. Install the right bank secondary camshaft drive chain guide. See: Engine > Overhaul > 126. Secondary Timing Chain Guide Installation - Right

12. Install the right bank secondary camshaft drive chain shoe. See: Engine > Overhaul > 127. Secondary Camshaft Drive Chain Shoe Installation - Right

13. Install the right bank secondary camshaft drive chain tensioner. See: Engine > Overhaul > 128. Secondary Timing Chain Tensioner Installation - Right

14. Install the engine front cover. See: Timing Cover > Procedures > Engine Front Cover Replacement

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SECONDARY CAMSHAFT INTERMEDIATE DRIVE CHAIN REPLACEMENT - RIGHT
Removal Procedure
1. Remove the engine front cover. See: Timing Cover > Procedures > Engine Front Cover Replacement

2. Remove the right bank secondary camshaft drive chain tensioner. See: Engine > Overhaul > 23. Secondary Timing Chain Tensioner Removal - Right

3. Remove the right bank secondary camshaft drive chain shoe. See: Engine > Overhaul > 24. Secondary Camshaft Drive Chain Shoe Removal - Right

4. Remove the right bank secondary camshaft drive chain guide. See: Engine > Overhaul > 25. Secondary Timing Chain Guide Removal - Right

Picture 2

5. Remove the right bank secondary camshaft drive chain. See: Engine > Overhaul > 26. Secondary Camshaft Intermediate Drive Chain Removal - Right

Installation Procedure

Picture 2

1. Install the right bank secondary camshaft drive chain. See: Engine > Overhaul > 125. Secondary Camshaft Intermediate Drive Chain Installation - Right

2. Install the right bank secondary camshaft drive chain guide. See: Engine > Overhaul > 126. Secondary Timing Chain Guide Installation - Right

3. Install the right bank secondary camshaft drive chain shoe. See: Engine > Overhaul > 127. Secondary Camshaft Drive Chain Shoe Installation - Right

4. Install the right bank secondary camshaft drive chain tensioner. See: Engine > Overhaul > 128. Secondary Timing Chain Tensioner Installation - Right

5. Install the engine front cover. See: Timing Cover > Procedures > Engine Front Cover Replacement

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PRIMARY CAMSHAFT DRIVE CHAIN AND SPROCKETS REPLACEMENT

Removal Procedure

1. Remove the engine front cover. See: Timing Cover > Procedures > Engine Front Cover Replacement

2. Remove the right bank secondary camshaft drive chain tensioner. See: Engine > Overhaul > 23. Secondary Timing Chain Tensioner Removal - Right

3. Remove the right bank secondary camshaft drive chain shoe. See: Engine > Overhaul > 24. Secondary Camshaft Drive Chain Shoe Removal - Right

4. Remove the right bank secondary camshaft drive chain guide. See: Engine > Overhaul > 25. Secondary Timing Chain Guide Removal - Right

5. Remove the right bank secondary camshaft drive chain. See: Engine > Overhaul > 26. Secondary Camshaft Intermediate Drive Chain Removal - Right

6. Remove the primary camshaft drive chain tensioner. See: Engine > Overhaul > 27. Primary Camshaft Intermediate Drive Chain Tensioner Removal

7. Remove the primary camshaft drive chain upper guide. See: Engine > Overhaul > 28. Primary Timing Chain Guide Removal - Upper

Picture 3

8. Remove the primary camshaft timing chain. See: Engine > Overhaul > 30. Primary Camshaft Intermediate Drive Chain Removal

Installation Procedure

Picture 3

1. Install the primary camshaft timing chain. See: Engine > Overhaul > 121. Primary Camshaft Intermediate Drive Chain Installation

2. Install the primary upper camshaft drive chain guide. See: Engine > Overhaul > 123. Primary Timing Chain Guide Installation - Upper

3. Install the primary camshaft drive chain tensioner. See: Engine > Overhaul > 124. Primary Camshaft Intermediate Drive Chain Tensioner Installation

4. Install the right bank secondary camshaft drive chain. See: Engine > Overhaul > 125. Secondary Camshaft Intermediate Drive Chain Installation - Right

5. Install the right bank secondary camshaft drive chain guide. See: Engine > Overhaul > 126. Secondary Timing Chain Guide Installation - Right

6. Install the right bank secondary camshaft drive chain shoe. See: Engine > Overhaul > 127. Secondary Camshaft Drive Chain Shoe Installation - Right

7. Install the right bank secondary camshaft drive chain tensioner. See: Engine > Overhaul > 128. Secondary Timing Chain Tensioner Installation - Right

8. Install the engine front cover. See: Timing Cover > Procedures > Engine Front Cover Replacement

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Pictures 4-7 show timing marks as a guide

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Left cam timing procedure

116. SECONDARY CAMSHAFT INTERMEDIATE DRIVE CHAIN INSTALLATION - LEFT
Secondary Camshaft Intermediate Drive Chain Installation - Left

Tools Required
EN 46105 Camshaft Holding Tool
EN 46111 Crankshaft Rotation Socket

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1. Important: There should be no need to rotate the camshaft more than 10 degrees. Using the hex cast into the camshaft rotate the camshaft in order to install the EN 46105.

Install the EN 46105-1 onto the rear of the left camshafts.

2. Important: All camshafts must be locked in place before installation of any camshaft drive chains.

Ensure that the EN 46105-1 is fully seated onto the camshafts.

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3. Ensure that the crankshaft is in the stage one timing drive assembly position using the EN 46111. Refer to Camshaft Timing Drive Chain Alignment Diagram Stage One.

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4. Install the left secondary camshaft drive chain.

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5. Place the left secondary camshaft drive chain around the inner sprocket of the left camshaft intermediate drive chain idler with the timing camshaft drive chain link (1) aligned to the alignment access hole (2) made in the left camshaft intermediate drive chain idler outer sprocket.

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6. Wrap the secondary camshaft drive chain around both left actuator drive sprockets.
7. Ensure there are 7 links (1) between the timing camshaft drive chain links for the camshaft position actuator sprockets.

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8. Align the left exhaust camshaft position actuator sprocket alignment circle mark (2) with the timing camshaft drive chain link (1).

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9. Align the left intake camshaft position actuator sprocket alignment circle mark (1) with the timing camshaft drive chain link (2).

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10. There will be 18 links (1) between the left camshaft intermediate drive chain idler timing secondary camshaft drive chain link and each left camshaft position actuator sprocket timing secondary camshaft drive chain link.

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Secondary Camshaft Intermediate Drive Chain Installation - Right

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1. Ensure that the crankshaft is in the stage two timing drive assembly position (1).

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2. Install the right secondary camshaft drive chain.

Picture 18

3. Place the secondary camshaft drive chain around the right camshaft intermediate drive chain idler outer sprocket, aligning the timing camshaft drive chain link (1) with the alignment access hole (2) made in the right camshaft intermediate drive chain idler inner sprocket.

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4. Wrap the secondary camshaft drive chain around both right actuator drive sprockets.
5. Ensure there are 7 links (1) between the timing camshaft drive chain links for the camshaft position actuator sprockets.

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6. Align the right exhaust camshaft position actuator sprocket alignment triangle mark (1) with the timing camshaft drive chain link (2).

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7. Align the right intake camshaft position actuator sprocket alignment triangle mark (2) with the timing camshaft drive chain link (1).

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8. There will be 18 links (1) between the right camshaft intermediate drive chain idler timing camshaft drive chain link and each right camshaft position actuator sprocket timing camshaft drive chain link.

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Primary Camshaft Intermediate Drive Chain Installation

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1. Important: Ensure that the crankshaft is in the stage one timing drive assembly position.

Install the primary camshaft drive chain.

Picture 24

2. Wrap the primary camshaft drive chain around the large sprockets of each camshaft intermediate drive chain idler and the crankshaft sprocket.

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3. The left camshaft intermediate drive chain idler timing mark (1) will align with a timing camshaft drive chain link (2).

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4. The right camshaft intermediate drive chain idler timing mark (2) will align with a timing camshaft drive chain link (1).

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5. The crankshaft sprocket timing mark (2) will align with a timing camshaft drive chain link (1).

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6. Ensure all the timing marks (2, 3, 6) are properly aligned with the timing camshaft drive chain links (1, 4, 5).

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I hope this helps. Let me know if you have other questions.

Take care,
Joe

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