Timing chain

WILKINSONT22

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2009 SATURN OUTLOOK
3.6L
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How do you time the 3.6 after the right side timing chain breaks? How do you know the intake camshaft and the exhaust camshaft is in the right position and how do you know the crankshaft is in the right position?

Friday, November 15th, 2019 AT 4:13 PM

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I attached the entire procedure for setting the timing. It has all the marks that you will need but I would suggest reviewing all of the documents just to see what you need and what you don't because when the engine rotates you may not need all of the steps.

The last few attachments are for the crank position.

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Friday, November 15th, 2019 AT 6:42 PM

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So I followed the instructions and put it back together but it sounds like it is backfiring in the engine like the intake or exhaust valves are open when it ignites. I did a compression test on the right side and it was 150, 135, and 150. I have the timing cover off again because I am thinking it's the timing. Should I put the #1 cylinder at TDC and then move the crankshaft to stage 2 timing position and align the camshafts?

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Saturday, November 16th, 2019 AT 4:46 AM

KASEKENNY

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Yes. That appears to be the issue. The 135 is too low which means the intake valve is probably off by a few degrees. If the cam shaft is not connected then you can move the crank to the proper position on #1 TDC and then put the cam on its mark and you should be good.

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Saturday, November 16th, 2019 AT 3:47 PM

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Thank you so much. I'll let you know how it goes.

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Saturday, November 16th, 2019 AT 5:25 PM

KASEKENNY

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Sounds great. We will wait to hear back from you. Thanks

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Sunday, November 17th, 2019 AT 5:48 PM

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So I got it back together and it's not running good. It has coded p0300, p0301, p0305, p0016, and p0017. I have attached a video of the sound and pictures of the live data. Please tell me what's wrong. Thank you.

I switched #1 and #4 coil packs and the p0301 switched to p0304. So I have new coils coming. But what about p0016 and p0017? Any help is appreciated. Thank you

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Saturday, November 23rd, 2019 AT 1:37 PM

KASEKENNY

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Okay. The P0016 and 17 are Cam/Crank correlation errors. Basically it is saying that the cam and crank are not aligned. I attached the diag for the code but if you go to the repair instructions for those codes, it says the first thing is to align the camshaft timing chain.

Here are all the alignment documents for this. The noise at idle may just be a the misfire that you appear to have figured out but again, you are probably going be down on power until the P0016 and 17 are corrected.

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