Temperture Gauge acting odd

Tiny
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  • 1998 FORD EXPLORER SPORT TRAC
  • 4.0L
  • 6 CYL
  • 2WD
  • AUTOMATIC
  • 118,024 MILES
The vehicle listed above is a 2 Door Sport_4.0L_SOHC_V6
118K miles-well taken care of and I really like it.


Situation:
I’m in my 70’s and don’t want to experience a vehicle breakdown at my age, so I’ve been taking my Explorer in for preventative maintenance for one thing at a time (fuel pump, starter, alternator, seals, gaskets, spark plugs & wires). Last week I had the original water pump replaced (which included an engine coolant flush). It had previously shown no signs of any problems, but... It was on my preventative maintenance list.

A couple of days later while driving I happened to notice that the temperature gauge/dial on my instrument panel as performing oddly.

Always before (20+ years), the temperature stem was on “C” (cold) when I first got in the car that day and then slowly warmed up to just below halfway on the temperature dial once it was warm. When I parked it for the day, I assume that the temperature stem slowly dropped back to “C” as the vehicle cooled off, because it was back at “C” the next day.

Problem:
Now I notice that the temperature stem still slowly warms up to the halfway point on the dial; HOWEVER, when I turn the engine off for the day the stem stays at the halfway point and is still stuck at the halfway point when I first get in the car the next day (?). Then, the next day, when I first start the engine, the stem immediately drops to the bottom of the dial, way below “C”. As I drive it then slowly warms back up to the halfway spot on the temperature dial.

I have gone back out to the vehicle several hours after having turned the engine off. The temperature stem was still stuck at the halfway spot on the dial. When I then started the engine the stem dropped down at that time to just below the “C”- the engine was cooler, but not all the way cool yet (apparently).

Summary Review:
The water pump was replaced, including an engine coolant flush, by the Ford Dealer.
Subsequently, the temperature gauge responded differently than usual- remaining stuck at the usual “engine at its warmest” midpoint on the dial.
It remained “stuck” there until the engine was started the next morning and then immediately dropped to the bottom of the dial (instead of dropping to “C” as it always had before). The temperature stem dial “sticks” were it is when the engine is cut off. When the engine is restarted the stem then drops, but apparently relating to how cool the engine is.

Question:
-What do you think happened during the water pump, coolant flush to alter the temperature dial/thermostat?
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● Do you think the problem is the thermostat and/or the coolant temperature sensor?
● A related electrical connection/short? (The dial sticks where it is when the engine is turned off and then drops to the bottom of the temperature dial once the engine is cool and then started again).

-Should I have the Dealer replace the Thermostat and Cool Temperature Sensor and see what happens (‘shotgun’ first step I’m leaning at), or should they diagnose the problem otherwise before doing that?

Thanks very much, (video attached)
Michael P.

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Thursday, October 12th, 2023 AT 4:47 PM

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Tiny
KEN L
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Thanks for the video and the great explanation. I don't think the problem is anything the Ford dealer did, they probably disconnected the battery and when it was reconnected the vehicle may have had a slight voltage surge which changed the way the temperature gauge reads. I would try disconnecting the battery overnight to see if it fixes the problem. I don't see it as a big problem FYI. The worst case is you may need to replace the cluster/temperature gauge to fix it but let's try the battery trick first.
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Thursday, October 12th, 2023 AT 5:00 PM
Tiny
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1. Disconnect the battery- do you mean disconnect the cable from the positive battery post?
2. Why leave it disconnected overnight, why not just a few minutes?
3. I've had the battery disconnected periodically for various things, even had it replaced 9 months ago. Usually, the only thing affected is the radio time and settings. Why would this suddenly affect the temperature gauge.
(I'm trying to learn here also so don't take a stupid question too
"rolly-eyed" :)
Thanks.
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Thursday, October 12th, 2023 AT 5:15 PM
Tiny
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No problem, yes remove the negative battery cable overnight. This will help discharge the system capacitors and erase the system memory to help reset things. You can try a hard system reboot as well.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/step-by-step-guide-performing-a-hard-system-reboot-for-your-vehicles-electronics-systems

Please go over this guide and get back to us.
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Friday, October 13th, 2023 AT 8:31 AM

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