Sputters alot

Tiny
79BONNEVILLE
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  • 1998 PONTIAC FIREBIRD
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My car sputters when gas pedal is hit, does not mater what gear r, 1, 2, 3, n, or park. When running well at idle the rpm's are about 1,500, but instead it bounces from about 800 to 1,300 rpm's at idle. And when in gear at a stop it bounces just around 1,000 rpm's. The motor is running rough. But it starts first try every time, and has never shut off on me. I have been fighting the random misfire code for about six months. Fixing it and having it reoccur.
I have changed the plugs, TPS, intake gasket, many PCV elbows. Cleaned the intake and even cleaned the MAF and screen twice. Have cleaned all connections to and from battery, even changed my body ground to better larger wire. Tried different batteries.
It is a 3800 series 2 motor, 3.8l vin K.
Driving myself crazy going over the car over and over.
Wednesday, July 4th, 2018 AT 8:52 AM

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Tiny
KEN L
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Hello,
This sounds like a classic weak fuel pump lets test the pressure and bleed down. Here is a guide to get us started. You can rent a gauge for the auto parts for free.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-check-fuel-system-pressure-and-regulator

and

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/engine-hesitates

Please let us know what happens.

Cheers, Ken
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Thursday, July 5th, 2018 AT 1:01 PM
Tiny
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Thank you very much.
Fuel pressure test
Key in on position:
Test1: 48-50psi
Test2: went to 50 then dropped to 42psi.
Engine running:
Test1: 40psi
Test2: bouncing between 38-40psi

Fpr appears fine under inspection, no gas on the vacuum line side.

Crossed paths with the mechanic that had me clean the throttle body and he suggested I skip today’s fuel test. Figured I will need to hook it up to a machine for more in depth inspection. But that is out of my price range.

So what is my next step to my never ending struggle?
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Friday, July 6th, 2018 AT 1:06 PM
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The fuel pump does look weak, but I wanted to ask did you change the plug wires when you did the plugs? ACDelco parts?
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Saturday, July 7th, 2018 AT 10:13 AM
Tiny
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I skipped the wires when I did plugs simply because the plug wires appeared to be in really good shape, especially inside the boot of the wires. Most did not have the metal heat protection on them anymore like stock. And one plug was different from the rest. Looked like the person before me had changed wires at some point but could not get but one plug out. Which I could understand, without an abundance of swivels and extensions and also a jack that would have been a serious pain.
Also, I would have changed coil packs but when before I changed plugs it was just one cylinder that had suddenly appeared prominent to an obd2 scanners besides my random misfire. If the coil pack were bad I would expect two cylinders because they are “piggy back” style coil packs. And the ICM has not been looked into because its price is 1/4 of what I paid for the car, and I do not really think the parts stores goons around here know what they are doing when it comes to testing them. And I do not own a multi-meter. So I will not be able to read the low voltages going through them. The testers I have only read 12 volts and up.
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Saturday, July 7th, 2018 AT 11:35 AM
Tiny
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Here is a video of a start up on the gauge cluster. I applied no pressure to either pedal and sat still. The oil pressure gauge is crazy because the harness is wrong at the front of motor. And as far as the voltage gauge, it reads funky but my alternator puts off 13.9 volts at battery when tested at parts store, and appeared healthy. The rpm's is the main thing.
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Saturday, July 7th, 2018 AT 2:59 PM
Tiny
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Hi and thanks for using 2CarPros. Com.

I watched your video and the idle could be the result of a dirty idle control air control valve (IAC). The component I am referring to is located on the right front of the intake manifold. I have attached a picture of its location and a picture of what it looks like.

The IAC is responsible for maintaining the engine's idle speed. If it is dirty, it can cause a fluctuation in the idle speed. First, I would recommend removing it and checking for excessive carbon build up in the manifold and on the IAC itself. Keep in mind, there are both a gasket and an o-ring which could be leaking, causing a vacuum leak. A vacuum leak can cause the idle, a random misfire, sputtering. Also, make sure the throttle plate on the throttle body is clean.

Check this and let us know what you find.

Take care,
Joe
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Wednesday, July 11th, 2018 AT 7:42 PM
Tiny
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Okay, I know exactly what your talking about. When I cleaned the throttle body I pulled it off and cleaned it a little too. Did not really inspect o-ring. Just left it as a questionable replacement needed. Will look into pricing and get to work.
Thank you very much.
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Wednesday, July 11th, 2018 AT 7:46 PM
Tiny
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Let me know what you find.
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Thursday, July 12th, 2018 AT 7:36 PM
Tiny
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Okay, the IAC got changed a couple days after my last post. I cleared codes and about a week after that I got the codes p0172 and p0175. The change in running condition was huge initially. After about three weeks I started to notice the rpm bounces periodically. I have cleared the codes a few times and it comes back about each week.
Recently it has seemed like it stutters before it gets moving correctly off of a stop. Getting out and going a little faster helped the first couple times with rpm bounce and stutters after that, not so much. Rpm's still bounce periodically.
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Wednesday, August 8th, 2018 AT 11:43 AM
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I am thinking the plug wires need to be changed please use AC Delco parts. I would make sure the spark plugs are OEM as well.
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Thursday, August 9th, 2018 AT 9:24 AM

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