Should I worry about broken wheel studs

Tiny
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Two days ago I pulled the rear wheels off to check the brakes, and replaced the pads and rotors. On the rear passenger side, two studs were extremely tight and broke off. First time it ever happened to me, and the wheels were off before than maybe six weeks ago when I took it to a shop to swap out wheels.

Replaced the rear two studs, and inspected, back seems fine. I always torque my wheels. Front seemed okay too

However, after looking extremely carefully, it seems that on the driver side one or two studs are stretched by ever so slightly, maybe .5mm one or two threads in front of the rotor. It is not really even noticeable, and has rust, just behind where the rims seat. I have taken them off several times in the past two days and they have been fine.

Should I be worried about it or just overreacting?

Thank you.
Saturday, June 9th, 2018 AT 11:52 AM

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Tiny
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I am so happy to see that you torque the lug nuts. Most do-it-yourselfers and some inexperienced mechanics do not understand how important that is, especially on smaller light-weight cars. In this case, it is pretty likely the damage was done by the previous person who over-tightened the lug nuts. You found they were too tight. That would have peeled the threads, then, when trying to loosen the nuts, the chips in the threads made the nuts bind, and the studs twisted off. Sometimes we manage to get the nuts to spin, but they do not thread off the studs. Those nuts have to be cut off, and that often includes damaging the wheel to the point it cannot be reused.

I did not get what you were referring to about the length of the studs or assuming some were stretched. I would not rely on that observation to draw any conclusions. Due to production tolerances, it is common to find the studs vary in length a little. What I would look at closely is the rounded contact patch on the wheel where the nut hits it. Those surfaces on the nut and the wheel must match perfectly because its the friction between them that holds the nut tight. That area may be torn up by the nut that was over-tightened. If you find that, it is likely no new nut will stay tight.

Be aware too that most import vehicles come with anodized wheel studs that have a silver, light blue, or light yellow coating. That coating is a lubricant. Do not put any type of grease on them as that will eat away that coating. That can also cause the nuts to bind and the threads to be peeled off.

If you have regular wheel studs with no anodized coating, it is okay to put a very light film of grease on the threads, but be careful as more is not better. Some people will throw a big glob of grease on the stud, then use an air impact gun to run the nuts on. Doing it that way will cause that wad of grease to build up in front of the nut, then get flung out onto the friction surface where it will get stuck between the wheel and the nut. We do not want any grease on those surfaces. If you put that much grease on a stud, walk the nut on by hand all the way, then torque it as you normally do.

Also, as long as I am spouting off warnings, do not ever use anti-seize compound on wheel studs. Doing that will get a mechanic fired. Grease keeps the threads from rusting but it lets the friction keep them tight. Anti-seize compound eliminates that friction, then the bouncing of the tires will work the nuts loose. You can use anti-seize compound on the wheel's center hole to make removal next time easier, especially with cast aluminum wheels that like to corrode to the hub, but I prefer to avoid this stuff all together, just to be safe.
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Saturday, June 9th, 2018 AT 7:42 PM
Tiny
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I never used anti-seize on studs ever. I have seen others do it but I never have. I just use a small amount of motor oil or ATF if needed.

My friend looked at the studs and said they all measure perfectly, but on my end it looked ever so slightly larger looking at the tape measure. The point of contact on the wheel taper is perfect.
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Monday, June 11th, 2018 AT 3:26 PM
Tiny
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As I mentioned, do not look at the length of the studs. They will all be different due to production tolerances. There actually are some bolts called "torque-to-yield" bolts that are intended to stretch based on proper tightening. Those are measured with a micrometer, and the amount of stretch is way too small to see by eye. To my knowledge, those are mainly used for connecting rod caps. Some cylinder head bolts will peel the threads in the block if you try to torque them to a typical spec. Instead, those get torqued to a very low value, then we tighten them another specified fraction of a revolution. Many GM head bolts call for a very specific number of degrees after that initial torque, and special gauges are needed to achieve that.

Wheel studs are not designed to stretch as part of their tightening sequence, and you cannot determine anything by measuring their length. Over-tightening will cause them to snap off or peel the threads before they will stretch. If they were the type of bolt intended to stretch, they would do that from the very high side load forces put on the wheel when cornering and when hitting big bumps.
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Tuesday, June 12th, 2018 AT 6:05 PM

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