Transmission not shifting properly after sitting and idling?

Tiny
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  • 2007 SATURN ION
  • 2.2L
  • 4 CYL
  • 2WD
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  • 130,000 MILES
Thanks for listening guys. I purchased this car about two years ago. Around six months afterwards, I noticed a hard shift after sitting in a friend's driveway idling. When I went from park to drive, there was a hard clunk, and the car wouldn't change gears properly until I put it back into park, and into drive again. Seemed to be a onetime thing. But recently it has done it two more times. Both times right after sitting at idle waiting for my wife to come out of the store. I'm also having an issue now and then with the key not wanting to release from the ignition. Like the shifter isn't going up far enough to release. Was wondering if one may have something to do with the other. Like a linkage problem or something like that. I'm really not sure. I'm not aware of any leaks in the sealed system, and otherwise the car shifts perfectly up until this happens, then goes away again for extended periods of time. Happens very intermittently. I replaced a transmission mount due to vibration in the vehicle, along with motor mounts. The car started the vibration a few months after I bought it. Changing the mounts seemed to help a little, but it still vibrates when sitting in drive. I actually just drove it to the store and back and it shifts very smoothly. I'm hearing a few different opinions about whether this 07 Ion has a dip stick or not to check levels. Can't imagine it would be low if there were no leaks. Any help would be more than appreciated. Unfortunately, I'm in no position to replace the vehicle at this time. I try to fix my own cars when I can, but I'm just not sure where to start here. Hopefully with your help, I can lose this worry soon, and get this figured out. I seriously need your expertise and will offer much support to your site in return. Thanks again!
Saturday, May 27th, 2023 AT 3:20 PM

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Tiny
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Hi,

How long does the vehicle sit at idle when this happens? It could be a heat-related issue. Also, a dipstick isn't used to check the fluid level. There is a fill hole on the side of the transmission that is removed when the engine is running, in park, and at operating temp. With that plug removed, you should see a slight amount of fluid leaking out. If there isn't, it's low.

I attached the procedure below. Additionally, there are diagnostics for different issues you may come across.

Let me know if this helps.

Take care,

Joe

See pics below.
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Monday, May 29th, 2023 AT 7:52 PM
Tiny
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Great information here! Thanks so much for your response. It's happened four times over a two-year span. The first time was about ten minutes at idle before it happened. The others were just a few minutes. It's strange because it might go six months without it happening at all. I will definitely check the fluid levels and make sure it's good. Can I access this fluid check cap from up above, or do I need to be underneath the car to access? I mentioned before that I changed out the front motor mount, and rear transmission mount. Is there any way I could have gotten something misaligned by putting it back together? It didn't cure the vibration, so I was wondering if this could be related to this random shifting issue. I more than appreciate the diagram, and the other info you have given. It's a great thing you're doing here. Thanks for the help.
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Monday, May 29th, 2023 AT 8:18 PM
Tiny
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Hi,

First, you are very welcome. I hope it helps.

As far as the mounts, I don't feel they are causing the issue. An extremely loose mount could if the engine jumps before its stopping point. However, that is unlikely. Also, I don't feel it would be as intermittent as you experience.

As far as checking the fluid, you won't be able to reach it from the top. You will either need to be under the vehicle or come in through the wheel opening.

Let me know if you have questions or if I can help in any way.

Take care,

Joe
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Tuesday, May 30th, 2023 AT 9:03 PM
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Thanks Joe. I had a chance to check out the cooler lines last night, and one or maybe both lines are leaking. They aren't large leaks, but probably enough to cause a problem. I also located the vent cap on top of the engine. At this point I am fairly sure that you have me heading in the right direction. I ordered new cooler lines last night, and some fluid to top it off after replacement. I will find the filler nut this weekend and also check levels. Do you think it would be safe to add a small amount before the check since we know there is a leak? Didn't want to do more damage running through the gears low on fluid. On the diagram you sent showing the filler nut, I just wanted to clarify that is behind the driver's side wheel. I have a good quality floor jack, ramps and stands. I was thinking one jack stand on the driver side should be enough to get it done, backed up with the floor jack. I can't say enough about how much help you have been. You said it, and bam, there it was! Leaking coolant lines! I would have never figured that out on my own. Thanks so much Joe! You deserve your expert status brother. I will let you know how it turns out if it doesn't rain all weekend. Lol.
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Wednesday, May 31st, 2023 AT 6:22 AM
Tiny
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Hi,

You are very welcome. As far as checking fluid level, make sure the vehicle is on a flat surface. Also, it is hard to say if adding is a good idea. I don't want it to be over-full but like you said, we don't want it to be low. The only way to be sure is to check the present level. Ugh. I wish I had an easier answer for you.

Let me know how things work out or if I can help in any way.

Take care,

Joe
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Wednesday, May 31st, 2023 AT 9:39 PM
Tiny
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Thanks for all the help, guys. I wanted to post an update for others that may have this issue. You were spot on with the diagnosis of transmission cooler issue. I found leaking transmission lines that lead into the cooler. I replaced those a few days back. (Got genuine GM hose assembly off Amazon for 20$.) I was able to check fluid levels as well. It was located on the passenger side almost dead in line with the passenger side wheel, about 6" to 8" up above tranny pan. If you go in head first, with the oil pan drain bolt staring you in the face, reach over and up to the left and there's a lone bolt on the side of the transmission towards the top. It would be easier to get to with the wheel and guard removed. But I was actually able to reach it with the car on the ground. I positioned the car over top of a dip in my yard and was able to reach it. Visibility wasn't great, but good enough to get decent reading on the levels. Ended up taking near a quart of fluid to get it to where fluid was barely leaking out in a small stream. Vibration has stopped for the most part. I think I need to make a small adjustment on the motor mount, and I think that might do it. Have let it idle several times while running in the store and back. So far, so good. It seems very apparent now that the vibration was coming from the tranny, and not the mounts that were replaced. I'm hopeful that the issue is resolved, and wanted to share for others. I do have one last question for anyone that may have experience with this. I lowered the engine all the way down into the front lower mount. For some reason, it seemed to feel a little smoother when the engine was riding a little higher in the mount. Not a huge issue. Just wondering if anyone may know the placement for that particular mount. Has a square slotted center in the mount where the bolt goes through. High up, or bottomed out is my question? Thank so much. You've been more than helpful. A true blessing!
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Friday, June 9th, 2023 AT 6:04 PM
Tiny
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Hi,

First, you are very welcome and I'm glad to know you found the issue. As far as the mountain is concerned, could you send me a picture of what you are dealing with? I'm not sure I understand exactly what is happening.

Let me know.

Joe
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Saturday, June 10th, 2023 AT 7:36 PM

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