RPM's drop and then shut off under load

Tiny
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  • 1985 HONDA ACCORD
  • 1.8L
  • 4 CYL
  • 2WD
  • AUTOMATIC
  • 103,000 MILES
This is a carburated vehicle with an electric fuel pump mounted along the frame rail. Car will start up properly and run at the faster rpm's until warmed. Then the rpm's will subside to the proper setting, around 800-900. At this point it will seemingly run forever until you advance the rpm's at 2,500-3,000 rpm's the vehicle will only run about 15-20 seconds or less. Then the rpm's just start to slow down. If you do not release your foot from that position it will completely shut off. If you ease up to the idle it will momentarily stutter and then resume idling as per normal again. If it does shut off before you ease up it will restart after just a few seconds. Don't have to wait long. On some occasions it has also died after only idling for 10-20 minutes or so, with no acceleration at all during that time.
I have a new fuel filter back by the tank, a new one in-line just before the carburetor, and a new fuel pump. The fuel entering the filter just before the carburetor shows more than adequate fuel in the filter, and also plenty arriving into the filter from the pump. It never runs dry or even low. So I don't believe that is the issue. The carburetor was rebuilt last year at this time and it's had a bit of miles put on it since then. Both of the float sight-glass levels are right on the mark dead center while running and appear to remain there throughout.
I've also attempted running the car with and without the gas cap on, since I noticed a fair amount of pressure escaping whenever I removed the cap. This did not seem to make any difference still faltering on the rpm's either way.

What else could it be?

Thank you.
Friday, December 6th, 2019 AT 11:02 AM

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Tiny
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Hi,

Have you checked for vacuum leaks? If the fuel pressure is good and you aren't losing spark, it sounds like a vacuum leak. Check the EGR and PCV to make sure there are no issues. Also, are you sure the catalytic converter isn't plugged?
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Friday, December 6th, 2019 AT 8:54 PM
Tiny
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I do want to thank you for your advice. However, that was not the answer so far. No problem with the cat, and no vacuum leaks anywhere.
Here's the latest: I have started the car a number of times and it will run at 1200 rpm's ( I ran it for at least 12 minutes. Completely warmed up), then attempted to run it up to 2,500 rpm's. It would hold there for 14 seconds the first time, then it lost power and would have stalled out completely but I let off of the pedal and the engine resumed at 1200 once again and stayed there. I allowed it to stay there for 20 seconds, then attempted the 2,500 again. This time it stayed at 2,500 for 26 seconds, then again faltered down to idle at 1,200. Again for a third time after a 15 second idle, this time to 3000 rpm's and it stayed there for 16 seconds. No reason for the discrepancies in amount of time it would remain at 2500 or 3000 rpm's. If I remove the pedal it always drops to idle and remains there. Even for another 15 minutes at that idle of 1200. Even if I let it falter all the way to a complete stall I simply wait maybe 3-5 seconds and restart it and all is fine. Until I attempt to get more rpm's out of it. The rpm's can at times fall off incrementally from 2500 (not just all at once), and if I attempt to add more pedal to it to sustain the rpm level it will hold for a bit longer. But with what feels like a bit less power. Almost like I'm losing spark to a plug or two. Not really missing. But running on 5 or 4 cylinders. And working its way down. Just a sense I'm getting. Don't know for sure if that's what's really going on. But just for your analysis?
Since I know nothing about these older carbureted Honda cars I'm wondering if this is an electric and/or sensor related issue to do with some sort of fuel pressure regulating device. What monitors or regulates the speed at which the electric fuel pump does it pumping? It's a brand new OEM pump and I hear it working much like the one I removed, which when hooked up to a power source worked just fine transferring fuel from one container to another). I don't think the original fuel pump actually needed replaced.
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Tuesday, December 10th, 2019 AT 11:22 AM
Tiny
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I should add that the 1,200 rpm idle that I have it at is due to me setting it there with the idle control adjustment knob on the back of the carburetor. Nothing else has been adjusted. I did however remove the inline fuel filter just before the carburetor (as that was not original. I put it there just to observe the flow of fuel at various times). I removed it to avoid any additional resistance to the proper pressure from the fuel pump. It seems to have made no difference whatsoever. I also attempted my tests with and without the gas cap secured in place, as I noted quite a bit of pressure exit the tank when I removed the cap on a couple of occasions.
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Tuesday, December 10th, 2019 AT 11:30 AM
Tiny
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Hi again.

You know, I read through your posts again and a thought came to mind. I wonder if the problem is the needle valve in the carb not fully opening when fuel is needed or causing a restriction. It wouldn't matter if you had the right pressure if it can't enter the carb. You could have dirt holding it partially closed or causing it to stick.
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Tuesday, December 10th, 2019 AT 4:59 PM

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