No start after timing belt failure

Tiny
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Timing belt failed on highway, car towed to town mechanic, belt and pulley replaced, now cranks with no start. Mechanic says exhaust valves were bent, but has not proven no compression. Refuses to work on the car further. Offered to buy car for $250.00. Car is 130 miles from home, so parking lot repair in the snow? Even with valve float, I don't believe a red-block engine could have bent valves. I think he didn't do the timing correctly. What's the percentage that I am right? Thanks, Mia
Monday, December 2nd, 2019 AT 8:23 AM

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Tiny
STEVE W.
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Going by the service information, it says that this is an interference engine.
"With the timing belt removed, avoid turning the camshaft or crankshaft. If movement is required, exercise extreme caution to avoid valve damage caused by piston contact."
So if the timing belt failed with it running you will end up with valve damage.
How many and which ones would depend on where the cam stopped and which valves were open at the time. Testing using a leak down tester would show the extent of the damage as you would listen for the air leakage through the valves as you test it. The issue then becomes, did it only bend the valves or did it also damage the valve guides or any of the pistons? That is something that requires using a bore scope or removing the head to discover.
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Monday, December 2nd, 2019 AT 9:50 AM
Tiny
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I believe your information is incorrect. The 1995 Volvo 940 turbo had a b230ft engine, which is a non interference engine. The question is, despite advice we've had to the contrary, can you bend exhaust valves with a broken timing belt on this engine. The engine was ripping at 2700 rpm when the timing belt broke.
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Monday, December 2nd, 2019 AT 11:34 AM
Tiny
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Sorry to say I think you are talking about the wrong engine.

My question." I* don't believe a red-block engine could have bent valves." This Volvo 940 is a four cylinder, red-block, 2.3turbo 1995, not a 2.3L 5cylinder (850/S70 P3)

[The 850/S70s all have interference engine valves.]

I can look up things in a repair guide, I have access to Mitchell online. I just thought you might have better statistics than I, if you are an expert.

Let's not perpetuate errors.
Thanks

*Mia
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Monday, December 2nd, 2019 AT 12:21 PM
Tiny
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That warning and information is from AllData. On a 4 cylinder turbo b230ft engine. ProDemand has a similar warning for that engine as does the factory service information I can access. If it's wrong then Volvo themselves have the wrong information as well.
I have also seen more than one supposed "non-interference" engine that had bent valves from a timing belt failure. It all depends on where the cam is and which valves are open at the time. That is why I suggest a leak down test instead of a compression test as well. If it has bent valves or it's out of time, that will show it much faster than any other testing.
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Monday, December 2nd, 2019 AT 3:39 PM
Tiny
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Here's the full story. My car shut off on the highway with symptoms of a broken timing belt. I had the car towed to a local mechanic who indeed verified that the timing belt was bad. (Actually, some teeth stripped off the timing belt. It had been on there for 14 years.) The mechanic, using AllData online, said that the exhaust valves were probably bent. I convinced him to put on a new timing belt. I just happen to have one in the car, meaning to replace it soon (but not soon enough :-). He replace the timing belt, and there was still no compression, which he interpreted as bent exhaust valves, as per AllData. He recommended I junk the car. I scoured the four leading Volvo online forums. There was not one mention of bent exhaust valves on a b230ft engine arising from a broken timing belt. I talked with two Volvo mechanics who had experience working on red block engines, and they had never seen bent exhaust valves arising from broken timing belt. So, today, I went back to the shop with a bunch of tools, and in his parking lot undid the mechanic's installation of the timing belt, and did it myself. The engine started right up, no vent exhaust valves. So in my experience of 4 B23 and B230 engines, and the combined experience of all the contributors to Volvo forms, and in the combined experience of two Volvo mechanics, there has been no instance of bent exhaust valves arising from broken timing belts from a stock B23 or B230 engine. Not quite clear where the professional advice from AllData and Volvo is coming from.
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Monday, December 2nd, 2019 AT 4:37 PM
Tiny
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To all of you following this thread.

I never used AllData. I did not believe the mechanic. I've seen errors in reproduction when people rush to publish. The error could have come from anywhere.

I think the subtlety of the difference between interpreting the literature and making an assumption need closer inspection. Volvo developed many B2.3 Liter engines and there were variances both for natural aspirated vs turbocharged and for Euro market vs. American. There were at least three B2.3L for the 940, alone. As is proven by the testimonial preceeding this reply, some of us know the subtleties.

A. This 2.3 L 940 is a single overhead camshaft vehicle with a non-interference valve design and a turbocharger. B. The precursor to the white engine is the B234T and is an interference valve design, and was not commonly sent to America. C. The B2.0L Turbo is an interference valve design turbo produced for and sent to Italy where you pay for power (povero Ferrari)

As an answer to my original question, I read your post saying that you have 'seen' bent valves sic: vent ** on a red block. So I had a what? 98% chance of being right? Or in this case, 100%. I'm just disappointed that my husband didn't give me credit in his comment, above. I give him credit for not believing AllData.

** the above Caribu testimonial typo 'vent' for bent is good proof that mistakes happen in publication.

Thanks,
Mia, 51-year-long Volvo owner. Fleet: daily drivers, 1989 240DL, 1986 245DL, 2001 C-70; in the works, 1997 Platinum T-5 sedan; 3-1995 Yellow T-5R sedans; Subject car, 1995 940 Turbo; RIP, 1989 245 DL, 1985 245 Turbo, 1981 260 GLE, 1984 240 GL, 1983 240DL, 1983 and 1981 240Turbos, 1976 245 DL Rust Bucket, 1964 P1800, 1966 1800S; Stolen, 1962 122S; over 1.5 million miles, and yes, I knew Irv Gordon, awesome guy
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Monday, December 2nd, 2019 AT 6:22 PM
Tiny
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Great information, but like Steve said we have seen it both ways. This is a small pocket of information you have provided and we appreciate it very much. It will help many. ;)
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Monday, December 2nd, 2019 AT 7:42 PM

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