No crank no start?

Tiny
PHILLIP328
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  • 2007 BMW 328XI
  • 3.0L
  • 6 CYL
  • 4WD
  • AUTOMATIC
  • 156,000 MILES
I bought the car a week ago with a no crank no start condition. The steering wheel lock shows on my display. I have no radio power and no heater control power. I reset everything with a Snap On scanner and the problem still exists. I checked all the fuses and relays; the car is stuck in park I don’t know what else to do could the foot well module because this issue any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Friday, March 3rd, 2023 AT 10:58 PM

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Tiny
KEN L
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We need to start with a CAN which is easy to do, and it goes over the entire car. You can get a CAN scanner (Controller Area Network) from Amazon.

Here is a video to show you how:

https://youtu.be/u-4syLc-ifQ

and

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/can-scan-controller-area-network-easy

I have seen the terminal 30g relay go out which can cause this problem here is the location so you can swap it out to see if that fixes the problem. The Terminal 30g relay on a 2007 BMW 328xi is located in the fuse box located in the glove compartment.

Here are the steps to access the relay:

Open the glove compartment and remove all contents.
Press on the sides of the glove compartment to release the stops and allow the glove compartment to swing down towards the floor.
Locate the fuse box, which is located behind a cover on the right-hand side of the glove compartment.

Open the cover and locate the Terminal 30g relay, which should be labeled on the inside of the cover or on a diagram on the fuse box.

It's worth noting that the Terminal 30g relay is responsible for providing power to several key components in the vehicle, such as the fuel pump, engine control module, and fuel injectors.

Please let us know what happens.

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Saturday, March 4th, 2023 AT 10:03 AM
Tiny
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My Snap On Modus scanner is pretty much the identical tool as the Autel maxi check it’s telling me that there’s a problem with the footwell module and IBS wire and I got the steering lock to go away and now it won't let me sync the cas module.
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Saturday, March 4th, 2023 AT 11:49 AM
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If the footwell module is bad it can cause this issue, what code are you getting?
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Sunday, March 5th, 2023 AT 5:47 PM
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Functional description
Control module, Car access system (CAS)
FUB-FUB-MCH0601FB1214_NGCAS - V.2

The CAS serves as an antitheft alarm system and enables the start of BMW vehicles.

A transponder chip is integrated in each of the vehicle keys. A ring coil is fitted about the ignition lock. The transponder chip is powered by this coil from the CAS control module. This means that no battery is necessary in the key. The power supply and data transfer take place in the same way as a transformer between the loop antenna (coil) at the ignition lock and the transponder chip.

The key then sends data to the CAS control module. If these data are correct, the CAS control module enables the starter by means of a relay located in the control module and additionally sends a coded start enable signal via a data link to the DME/DDE. These procedures may result in a start delay of up to half a second.

Components
Data link to DME/DDE
The CAS control module sends a coded enable signal to the DME/DDE via the data link. The engine cannot be started before this signal has been transferred.

Engine control module (DME/DDE) with coded start enable input
The engine control module (DME/DDE) only enables engine start if a correct enable signal is received from the CAS control module.

EWS-DME/DDE interface
Identical variable codes are stored in the CAS control module and in the DME/DDE control module. The value of these codes changes after every start procedure. Start enable only takes place if the code sent by the CAS control module agrees with the code calculated in the DME/DDE control module.

The control modules are allocated only during initial programming of the DME/DDE control module. The engine control module then adopts the basic code of the CAS control module.

Important
It is not possible to replace the DME/DDE or CAS control modules for test purposes!

In rare cases, it is possible that the variable codes in both control modules deviate from each other. In these cases, it is possible to reset both codes to the initial value via the service function 'DME(DDE) - CAS matching' (EWS calibration).

Key identification and start procedure
The following procedure takes place after inserting the vehicle key in the ignition lock:

The transponder in the key is powered via the loop antenna and sends the key data to the CAS control module.

The CAS control module checks the key data to ensure it is correct and only then sends an enable signal to the starter.

The CAS control module sends the variable code to DME/DDE. There, the variable code is checked against the saved variable code; if they match, the fuel injection is released.

After the engine has started, the CAS control module generates new key data (change code) and transfers them to the transponder in the key.

A new variable code is also created and stored in the DME/DDE control module.

Fault recognition in engine control module
The following faults are monitored in the engine control module:

Interface, i.E. Line to CAS control module: In this case, the check is carried out in order to establish whether a signal is received and whether this signal is not subject to excessive interference.

Variable code: A check is conducted as to whether the variable code which is sent by the CAS control module agrees with the value calculated in the DME(DDE) control module.

Engine start is inhibited if a fault is detected. Check out the images (below). Please let us know what you find.
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