No crank, no start

Tiny
MICHAEL SERFACE
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  • 2009 CHEVROLET SUBURBAN
  • 5.3L
  • V8
  • 4WD
  • AUTOMATIC
  • 200,000 MILES
Installed new starter now no crank from key. Tried jumping from the starter relay and get crank but no start.
Friday, November 20th, 2020 AT 8:44 AM

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Tiny
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Good afternoon,

Is the theft or security light on? You may need to reset the security since you had the battery cable off.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-reset-a-security-system

I attached the wiring diagram for you as well for the starting system. See if you have any codes in the system. The security goes through the body control module.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/checking-a-service-engine-soon-or-check-engine-light-on-or-flashing

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-check-wiring

Roy

10-Minute Vehicle Key Relearn

Important: This procedure will only relearn the vehicle keys. This procedure will not learn the immobilizer prerelease password or the challenge/response data. Do not use this procedure as a substitute for a 10-minute relearn when replacing or reprogramming a theft deterrent module (TDM) or engine control module (ECM). Doing so will result in a failure to learn the pre-release password and/or the challenge/response data.

This 10-minute learn procedure should be used when all vehicle keys are desired to be replaced or reprogrammed. This procedure will erase all previously learned vehicle keys from the TDM. Once the 10-minute learn procedure has been completed, any remaining vehicle keys may be programmed using the Adding Keys procedure to ensure their continued functionality.

1. Connect a scan tool to the vehicle in the pass-thru arrangement.
2. Turn ON the ignition, with the engine OFF.
3. Ensure that all power consuming devices are turned OFF on the vehicle.
4. On the Techline Terminal, select Service Programming System and follow the Techline Terminal on-screen instructions, using the Pass-Thru method. Ensure the correct programming selection is chosen based on component being replaced or programmed. For this procedure, go to the VTD Vehicle Theft Deterrent Learn menu and choose the Vehicle Theft Deterrent Learn for Learning Replacement Keys selection.
5. At this point the scan tool must remain connected for the duration of the 10-minute relearn procedure.

Important:
The scan tool will initially display 12 Minutes. The first 2 minutes allow the scan tool to initialize the appropriate control module. The remaining 10 minutes is the relearn timer.

On some vehicles the security indicator may be illuminated for the duration of the 10-minute relearn procedure.

6. Observe the scan tool, after approximately 10 minutes the scan tool will display Programming Successful, Turn OFF Ignition". The vehicle is now ready to relearn the key information and/or the passwords on the next ignition switch transition from OFF to RUN.
7. Turn OFF the ignition and wait 2 minutes.
8. With a master vehicle key, turn the ignition to the RUN position for 15 seconds, then start the vehicle. The TDM has now learned the key transponder information.
9. With a scan tool, clear any DTCs.
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Friday, November 20th, 2020 AT 1:21 PM
Tiny
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Okay, I have done more troubleshooting since and this is what I know. I have no security light showing except when I turn the key to the run position it comes on but goes out as usual during normal operations. I can get the starter to crank from the fuse box and I do have fuel pressure at the fuel rail but no start. I checked the FPCM and also tested the fuel pump from there and both tested ok. Fuses and relays present and good. So right now I have nothing when I turn the key to start the vehicle and no spark when I do crank it over. The advise was thorough that you have given so far and much appreciated. Any walk through on what to test next wo6uld be great, I have been working on this issue going on for three days and I'm stumped. I don't think it's security related however you know more than I do.
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Friday, November 20th, 2020 AT 11:20 PM
Tiny
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Okay, if you have any starter fluid, spray some in the air filter and see if it starts and shuts off.

Can you check the actual fuel pressure? I attached a guide for you to view.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-check-fuel-system-pressure-and-regulator

Can you check voltages at the starter relay as well? You need a constant 12 volts on pin 30.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-check-an-electrical-relay-and-wiring-control-circuit

You need voltage at pin 86 in the start position. Can you verify that?

Roy
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Saturday, November 21st, 2020 AT 4:03 AM

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