Engine not cranking over?

Tiny
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Starter will knock with key switch, will spin when triggering starter relay. Too high of load from starter?
Sunday, October 20th, 2019 AT 3:08 AM

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Tiny
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Good morning,

Can you upload a video of the noise you are describing so I can hear what you hear? This guide can help us fix it

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/starter-not-working-repair

Please run down this guide and report back.
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Sunday, October 20th, 2019 AT 4:26 AM
Tiny
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The knock sound is the Bendix engaging the flex plate and not tuning over the engine while using the key. If I manually engage the starter relay the starter will spin the engine no problem. A knock or clank is the sound of a starter Bendix coming out to meet the flex plate or flywheel and for a few resins not turning over the engine.
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Sunday, October 20th, 2019 AT 4:28 AM
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I would still like to hear it.

The Bendix is a one-way clutch for the end gear to spin the motor. If the starter spins free when cranking, then the starter is bad and needs to be replaced.

Roy
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Sunday, October 20th, 2019 AT 4:34 AM
Tiny
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I am aware what a Bendix is, after some testing I found I had a bad ignition switch "electrical switch" not tumbler. Would not hold the relay closed.
Gave this site a try. "Techs" not understanding "Knock" or "Clank" really should not offer advice.
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Monday, October 21st, 2019 AT 4:38 PM
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We understand it completely when we are given clear, correct information.

Roy
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Monday, October 21st, 2019 AT 4:47 PM
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Hello,

If I can jump in hear. It sounds like the engine might be locked up. Can I ask if the lights dim way down if you stay on the crank position? Will the engine turn over by hand? Please let me know.
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Tuesday, October 22nd, 2019 AT 3:46 PM
Tiny
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Last month I went to advance auto to get a code read out when check engine light came on. The read out said that it was my camshaft position censor that needed to be replaced. I still drove the car for a while without having the camshaft censor put on. Recently, my car stopped working. I was driving and started to notice I was losing acceleration while I was still pressing on the gas, then my oil light came on. My car completely shut down, and when I tried to restart it I could hear my car sounding like it wanted to turn over but it would no start. I replaced the camshaft censor and the plug, It's still sounding like it wants to crank but doesn't. Can you give me an idea of what could be making my car not crank?
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Thursday, August 20th, 2020 AT 8:20 AM (Merged)
Tiny
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I would recommend that you start by checking fuel pump pressure and check to see if you have a good hot blue snapping spark at the plugs. If you want to make it easy, see if the engine starts for a few seconds if you use starting fluid. It you try that, let me know the results.
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Thursday, August 20th, 2020 AT 8:20 AM (Merged)
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My car has ran perfectly for about six months then one day it just would not start. Will not crank, will not start. I charged the battery that did not work. Replace the battery that did not work. We noticed that the relay switch under the steering column vibrates when we try to start it. Could this be the problem and it needs to be replaced? Please let me know.
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Thursday, August 20th, 2020 AT 8:20 AM (Merged)
Tiny
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Hello,

It sounds like you have a starter that is out. Here is a guide to help you check it out. Look toward the bottom of this guide:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/car-engine-will-not-crank-over

If the starter is getting power with the key in the crank position is it bad. Here is a guide to let you know what you are in for when doing the job:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-replace-a-starter-motor

Here is a diagram (below) on what it will be like on your car.

Please let us know what happens.

Cheers, Ken

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Thursday, August 20th, 2020 AT 8:20 AM (Merged)
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I tried jump starting it, but it did not work. The only light that shows up on my dashboard is the oil light. I tried jump starting it, but nothing. Also, when I pull the key back to start I get a beeping noise.
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Thursday, August 20th, 2020 AT 8:21 AM (Merged)
Tiny
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Do the head lights work and are they full brightness?

Here is a guide that will help you load test the battery using the car:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/car-battery-load-test

Here is a guide that will help as well:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/car-cranks-but-wont-start

Please let us know what happens.

Cheers
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Thursday, August 20th, 2020 AT 8:21 AM (Merged)
Tiny
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Yes, they work and at full brightness the battery is okay.
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Thursday, August 20th, 2020 AT 8:21 AM (Merged)
Tiny
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What are the symptoms when you try to crank the engine? Do you hear a single rather loud clunk each time you turn the ignition switch to "crank"? If so, there is an easy fix for that.

If you do not hear that clunk, can you hear if the starter relay is clicking in the under-hood fuse box? That one can be a little tricky because there are other relays that will also be clicking. What happens to the brightness of the headlights or dome light when you try to crank the engine? Do they stay bright, go out completely, or get dim?
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Thursday, August 20th, 2020 AT 8:21 AM (Merged)
Tiny
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When I turn the ignition switch to crank the engine nothing happens it stays quite and I do not hear any sound coming from anywhere. I tried changing the fuses for the ignition switch, but it is still the same. I put the lights on and cranked the engine but the lights were unaffected.
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Thursday, August 20th, 2020 AT 8:21 AM (Merged)
Tiny
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The starter circuit can be split into three smaller circuits for troubleshooting. There are a couple of different ways of going about this depending on whether you have a voltmeter or test light and know how to use them. As an alternative, to narrow it down, you can remove the starter relay to bypass it with a jumper wire, or you can pop the cover off, reinstall it that way, hen squeeze the contact to see if the engine will crank. If it does, we will know two of the three circuits are working and the battery is good.

It is sounding more like you have a bad starter motor more and more.

Here are some guides that will help you and a wiring diagram below:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-use-a-test-light-circuit-tester

See where you are losing power.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-replace-a-starter-motor

You will need to jack the car up safely as well.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/jack-up-and-lift-your-car-safely

Please let us know what you find.

Cheers
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Thursday, August 20th, 2020 AT 8:21 AM (Merged)
Tiny
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I tried doing what you told me and you were right the starter motor has bad. I found a good rebuild on Amazon for $66.00.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007Y86LRM/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=2carprcom-20&camp=1789&creative=9325&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=B007Y86LRM&linkId=5446dd71597609f8fc19aab0025fb074

Thanks again, you guys rock!
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Thursday, August 20th, 2020 AT 8:21 AM (Merged)
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You can check the fuses check the smaller red battery cable where it bolts to the under-hood fuse box. Be sure it is clean and tight. That is a common place to find a problem. Next, follow the smaller black negative battery cable to where it bolts to the body sheet metal and be sure that one is clean and tight.

If you do not identify a bad connection, you will need a test light. A digital voltmeter will work too, but in this type of circuit the test light can be more accurate. Turn on the headlights so some current is leaving the battery. That will help make a bad connection show up. Now start with the test light's clip lead right on the negative battery terminal. If they still have the battery behind the left front tire like they did in the 1990's, just use the jump-start terminal under the hood. Place the test light's probe on the positive battery terminal, or the jump-start terminal by the left strut tower. The light should be bright. If it is not, work back to the battery to find the broken connection.

If the test light is bright, move the clip lead to the engine block or head. Next, move the probe down to the starter and check on the larger bolt-on terminal. The light must still be bright.

If you are doing this with a voltmeter, you want to find full battery voltage, (12.6 volts), all the way to the starter. If you find around 12.0 volts, the battery is discharged. If you find closer to 11 volts or less, the battery has a shorted cell and there's no way to know what will work and what wont until it is replaced.
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Thursday, August 20th, 2020 AT 8:21 AM (Merged)
Tiny
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I have a 2003 Dodge Stratus that I could not jump start. I thought it was the starter, but turned out to be the twenty amp fuse that powers the starter.
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Thursday, August 20th, 2020 AT 8:21 AM (Merged)
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Good to hear, please use 2CarPros anytime we are here to help.

Cheers
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