No brake pressure in pedal

Tiny
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  • 2003 GMC SONOMA
  • 4.3L
  • 6 CYL
  • 2WD
  • AUTOMATIC
  • 117,000 MILES
There is no pressure in my brake pedal with engine running. It pumps up well with engine off. What's going on?
Monday, November 25th, 2019 AT 7:13 PM

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Tiny
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Hi,

If you can pump up the pedal when it's off but it goes to the floor slowly with engine off or quickly with engine running, I suspect either there is a leak or the master cylinder is bad.

Try this. With the engine off, pump up the brakes and hold steady pressure on the pedal. Does it slowly go to the floor? If so, the MC is bad.

Confirm the brake fluid is full. If it is, then there are no leaks. At that point, replace the master cylinder.

Take a look through this link:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/brake-pedal-goes-to-the-floor

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Here are the directions specific to your vehicle. The attached pics correlate with the directions. However, before replacing this, reconfirm there are no leaks under the vehicle, at the MC area, or at any of the wheels.

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2003 GMC Truck S15/T15 Sonoma P/U 2WD V6-4.3L VIN X
Master Cylinder Replacement
Vehicle Brakes and Traction Control Hydraulic System Brake Master Cylinder Service and Repair Procedures Master Cylinder Replacement
MASTER CYLINDER REPLACEMENT
Master Cylinder Replacement

Removal Procedure

Notice: Refer to Brake Fluid Effects on Paint and Electrical Components Notice in Service Precautions.

1. Apply the parking brake and block the wheels.
2. Disconnect the brake pipes from the master cylinder.

Important: Install a rubber cap or plug to the exposed brake pipe fitting ends in order to prevent brake fluid loss and contamination.

pic 1

3. Plug the open brake pipe ends.

pic 2

4. Remove the master cylinder nuts and bolts.
5. Remove the master cylinder from the vehicle.
6. Drain the master cylinder reservoir of all the brake fluid.

Installation Procedure

pic 3

1. Bench bleed the master cylinder.

pic 4

2. Install the master cylinder to the vehicle.

Notice: Refer to Fastener Notice in Service Precautions.

3. Install the master cylinder bolts and nuts.
Tighten the nuts to 36 Nm (27 ft. lbs.).

pic 5

4. Connect the brake pipes to the master cylinder.
Tighten the pipe nuts to 30 Nm (22 ft. lbs.).
5. Bleed the hydraulic brake system.

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Here are the directions for bleeding the system.

2003 GMC Truck S15/T15 Sonoma P/U 2WD V6-4.3L VIN X
Hydraulic Brake System Bleeding (Manual)
Vehicle Brakes and Traction Control Hydraulic System Brake Bleeding Service and Repair Procedures Hydraulic Brake System Bleeding (Manual)
HYDRAULIC BRAKE SYSTEM BLEEDING (MANUAL)
Hydraulic Brake System Bleeding (Manual)

Notice: When adding fluid to the brake master cylinder reservoir, use only Delco Supreme 11, GM P/N 12377967 (Canadian P/N 992667), or equivalent DOT-3 brake fluid from a clean, sealed brake fluid container. The use of any type of fluid other than the recommended type of brake fluid, may cause contamination which could result in damage to the internal rubber seals and/or rubber linings of hydraulic brake system components.

Notice: Refer to Brake Fluid Effects on Paint and Electrical Components Notice in Service Precautions.

1. Place a clean shop cloth beneath the brake master cylinder to prevent brake fluid spills.
2. With the ignition OFF and the brakes cool, apply the brakes 3-5 times, or until the brake pedal effort increases significantly, in order to deplete the brake booster power reserve.
3. If you have performed a brake master cylinder bench bleeding on this vehicle, or if you disconnected the brake pipes from the master cylinder, you must perform the following steps:
3.1. Ensure that the brake master cylinder reservoir is full to the maximum-fill level. If necessary add Delco Supreme 11, GM P/N 12377967 (Canadian P/N 992667), or equivalent DOT-3 brake fluid from a clean, sealed brake fluid container. If removal of the reservoir cap and diaphragm is necessary, clean the outside of the reservoir on and around the cap prior to removal.
3.2. With the rear brake pipe installed securely to the master cylinder, loosen and separate the front brake pipe from the front port of the brake master cylinder.
3.3. Allow a small amount of brake fluid to gravity bleed from the open port of the master cylinder.
3.4. Reconnect the brake pipe to the master cylinder port and tighten securely.
3.5. Have an assistant slowly depress the brake pedal fully and maintain steady pressure on the pedal.
3.6. Loosen the same brake pipe to purge air from the open port of the master cylinder.
3.7. Tighten the brake pipe, then have the assistant slowly release the brake pedal.
3.8. Wait 15 seconds, then repeat steps 3.3-3.7 until all air is purged from the same port of the master cylinder.
3.9. With the front brake pipe installed securely to the master cylinder - after all air has been purged from the front port of the master cylinder - loosen and separate the rear brake pipe from the master cylinder, then repeat steps 3.3-3.8.
3.10. After completing the final master cylinder port bleeding procedure, ensure that both of the brake pipe-to-master cylinder fittings are properly tightened.
4. Fill the brake master cylinder reservoir with Delco Supreme 11, GM P/N 12377967 (Canadian P/N 992667), or equivalent DOT-3 brake fluid from a clean, sealed brake fluid container. Ensure that the brake master cylinder reservoir remains at least half-full during this bleeding procedure. Add fluid as needed to maintain the proper level.
Clean the outside of the reservoir on and around the reservoir cap prior to removing the cap and diaphragm.
5. Install a proper box-end wrench onto the RIGHT REAR wheel hydraulic circuit bleeder valve.
6. Install a transparent hose over the end of the bleeder valve.
7. Submerge the open end of the transparent hose into a transparent container partially filled with Delco Supreme 11, GM P/N 12377967 (Canadian P/N 992667), or equivalent DOT-3 brake fluid from a clean, sealed brake fluid container.
8. Have an assistant slowly depress the brake pedal fully and maintain steady pressure on the pedal.
9. Loosen the bleeder valve to purge air from the wheel hydraulic circuit.
10. Tighten the bleeder valve, then have the assistant slowly release the brake pedal.
11. Wait 15 seconds, then repeat steps 8-10 until all air is purged from the same wheel hydraulic circuit.
12. With the right rear wheel hydraulic circuit bleeder valve tightened securely - after all air has been purged from the right rear hydraulic circuit - install a proper box-end wrench onto the LEFT REAR wheel hydraulic circuit bleeder valve.
13. Install a transparent hose over the end of the bleeder valve, then repeat steps 7-11.
14. With the left rear wheel hydraulic circuit bleeder valve tightened securely - after all air has been purged from the left rear hydraulic circuit - install a proper box-end wrench onto the RIGHT FRONT wheel hydraulic circuit bleeder valve.
15. Install a transparent hose over the end of the bleeder valve, then repeat steps 7-11.
16. With the right front wheel hydraulic circuit bleeder valve tightened securely - after all air has been purged from the right front hydraulic circuit - install a proper box-end wrench onto the LEFT FRONT wheel hydraulic circuit bleeder valve.
17. Install a transparent hose over the end of the bleeder valve, then repeat steps 7-11.
18. After completing the final wheel hydraulic circuit bleeding procedure, ensure that each of the 4 wheel hydraulic circuit bleeder valves are properly tightened.
19. Fill the brake master cylinder reservoir to the maximum-fill level with Delco Supreme 11, GM P/N 12377967 (Canadian P/N 992667), or equivalent DOT-3 brake fluid from a clean, sealed brake fluid container.
20. Slowly depress and release the brake pedal. Observe the feel of the brake pedal.
21. If the brake pedal feels spongy, repeat the bleeding procedure again. If the brake pedal still feels spongy after repeating the bleeding procedure, perform the following steps:
21.1. Inspect the brake system for external leaks.
21.2. Pressure bleed the hydraulic brake system in order to purge any air that may still be trapped in the system.
22. Turn the ignition key ON, with the engine OFF. Check to see if the brake system warning lamp remains illuminated.

Important: If the brake system warning lamp remains illuminated, DO NOT allow the vehicle to be driven until it is diagnosed and repaired.

23. If the brake system warning lamp remains illuminated, refer to Symptoms - Hydraulic Brakes.

Let me know if this helps.

Joe
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Monday, November 25th, 2019 AT 8:40 PM
Tiny
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It was the vacuum booster.
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Tuesday, May 4th, 2021 AT 8:05 PM
Tiny
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Hi,

Thanks for the update. I'm glad to hear you got it fixed.

Please feel free to come back anytime in the future.

Take care,

Joe
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Tuesday, May 4th, 2021 AT 9:42 PM

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