After replacing the Master cylinder the brake pedal goes to the floor with engine running

Tiny
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  • 2003 GMC SONOMA
  • 4.3L
  • 6 CYL
  • 2WD
  • AUTOMATIC
  • 140,000 MILES
Couldn’t get fluid to rear brakes. Okay, replaced master cylinder and vacuum bled all wheels with power bleeder using air compressor Got fluid all wheels. Have good pedal with engine off. Pedal goes to floor with engine running. What is going on? Thanks in advance.
Sunday, February 21st, 2021 AT 7:15 PM

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Tiny
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You have air trapped inside the ABS control unit so you will need a scan tool that can open the internal valves while bleeding the system. this guide should help us fix it:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-bleed-or-flush-a-car-brake-system

Let us know what happens and please upload pictures or videos of the problem.
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Tuesday, February 23rd, 2021 AT 5:24 PM
Tiny
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Hi,

It sounds like there is trapped air in the ABS. What I would suggest is trying the automated bleed procedure with a scan tool. Here are the directions. Note that the automated bleed procedure doesn't start until towards the end of the directions (#10).

Based on your description, this is what I feel needs done.

Here are the directions:

2003 GMC Truck S15/T15 Sonoma P/U 2WD V6-4.3L VIN X
ABS Automated Bleed Procedure
Vehicle Brakes and Traction Control Hydraulic System Brake Bleeding Service and Repair Procedures ABS Automated Bleed Procedure
ABS AUTOMATED BLEED PROCEDURE
ABS Automated Bleed Procedure

Two - Person Procedure

Important:
Use the two-person bleed procedure under the following conditions:
- Installing a new Electro-Hydraulic Control Unit (EHCU) or new Brake Pressure Modulator Valve (BPMV).
- Air is trapped in the valve body.
Do not drive the vehicle until the brake pedal feels firm.
- Do not reuse brake fluid that is used during bleeding.
- Use the vacuum, the pressure and the gravity bleeding procedures only for base brake bleeding.

1. Raise the vehicle in order to access the system bleed screws.
2. Bleed the system at the right rear wheel first.
3. Install a clear hose on the bleed screw.
4. Immerse the opposite end of the hose into a container partially filled with clean DOT 3 brake fluid.
5. Open the bleed screw 1/2 to 1 full turn.
6. Slowly depress the brake pedal. While the pedal is depressed to its full extent, tighten the bleed screw.
7. Release the brake pedal and wait 10-15 seconds for the master cylinder pistons to return to the home position.
8. Repeat the previous steps for the remaining wheels. The brake fluid which is present at each bleed screw should be clean and free of air.
9. This procedure may use more than a pint of fluid per wheel. Check the master cylinder fluid level every four to six strokes of the brake pedal in order to avoid running the system dry.
10. Press the brake pedal firmly and run the Scan Tool Automated Bleed Procedure. Release the brake pedal between each test.
11. Bleed all four wheels again using Steps 3-9.
This will remove the remaining air from the brake system.
12. Evaluate the feel of the brake pedal before attempting to drive the vehicle.
13. Bleed the system as many times as necessary in order to obtain the appropriate feel of the pedal.

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I hope this helps. Let me know if you have other questions.

Take care and God Bless,

Joe
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Tuesday, February 23rd, 2021 AT 5:29 PM
Tiny
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Okay, going to bleed lines again with vacuum bleed. Rebled mc. Is there any chance could be the booster check valve because you hear hissing by brake pedal when depressed close to floor. Also ABS light is now on. So what should I set air compressor to, to avoid suckin air into the lines?
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Wednesday, February 24th, 2021 AT 4:44 PM
Tiny
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Okay, like I said the pedal feels great with motor off. Problem is when it’s running there is absolutely no pedal.
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Wednesday, February 24th, 2021 AT 4:45 PM
Tiny
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Yep, that is due to air in the ABS. Once you get the assist (starting engine), it goes to the floor. Try the automated bleed procedure. I can't be 100% certain, but I am very confident it will fix the issue.

Let me know.

Joe
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Wednesday, February 24th, 2021 AT 5:49 PM
Tiny
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Did the auto bleed still no pedal with engine on. You know maybe I’ve overlooked somethings you should know and that’s the truck has been sitting for at least 2 years. Just now have gotten around to fixing it. Something I noticed is the front hubs are really hard to turn by hand. Just saying. Anyway will bleed the lines again tomorrow. Don’t know what else to do. Just going to keep plugging. Thank you for all your help. Maybe ABS controller is bad. What do you think?
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Wednesday, February 24th, 2021 AT 10:27 PM
Tiny
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If I got a controller from another 2003 Sonoma would it have to be programmed before it would work?
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Wednesday, February 24th, 2021 AT 10:31 PM
Tiny
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Hi,

if it was an electrical issue, you wouldn't lose pedal. There is air somewhere in the system. Did you do exactly what was listed above for the automated bleed procedure?

This may sound odd but check it. If there are no leaks, have a helper start the engine and press the brake while you watch the rubber brake hose to the calipers. See if they are possibly expanding.

It's just a thought.

Joe
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Thursday, February 25th, 2021 AT 5:54 PM

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