Negative battery cable hot/car not starting?

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This is a 2.0 TSI, manual transmission, yes auction car but ran so smooth when I started it. I am familiar with them and know how they should sound, otherwise I would not have bought it. Weird they make it so complicated to replace the hpfp. I replaced many of them on Minis and BMWs as well as VWs. Didn't have to do any adjustments at all.
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Wednesday, February 21st, 2024 AT 6:51 PM
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Yes, I see the starter. I'll see where the bottom bolt is.
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Wednesday, February 21st, 2024 AT 6:52 PM
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Well, the HP pump needs to have the cam follower at its lowest point, so when you bolt down the pump, there's no pressure being put on it, and then working the bolts down each a little at a time, which is how most of these pumps are installed. It's just odd that there's a vacuum pump that seems to be driven off the same part of the cam, I'll post this section on the vacuum pump really quick. Below is the info on reinstalling the HP pump.
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Wednesday, February 21st, 2024 AT 7:00 PM
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Yes, that's how I usually install them, make sure it's all in and slowly screw in the bolts one at a time from side to side until it's in.
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Wednesday, February 21st, 2024 AT 7:03 PM
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If it ran that good, I don't think anything crazy happened on the drive home with it on the trailer. But check the starter first, no sense in pulling the entire thing apart to find it's got a broken flex plate or starter issue.
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Wednesday, February 21st, 2024 AT 7:06 PM
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Just wait to try starting it again until you get the cable and battery hooked up correctly.
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Wednesday, February 21st, 2024 AT 7:07 PM
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No, my tow truck driver is a friend of mine. He knows a bit about cars so I always tell him to drive them for a minute to make sure it's okay. He drove it after he jumped it just to make sure the shifting is fine, only few hundred feet and he said it was so smooth and just shut off.
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Wednesday, February 21st, 2024 AT 7:21 PM
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Oh okay, if you look back under mode 6 data, there may still be some recorded faults in there. I use mode 6 data sometimes when a vehicle has an issue but is not setting a code. There is always a fault in there for something. It's just data you have to search through. It will show different ID #s and Test IDs, but you should always record any fault codes before erasing them. Or take a screenshot with your scan tool so you have a record of the fault. I assume it stalled out due to that faulty battery and cable, there are just so many components on these engines, let us know how things turn out by trying to rotate the engine. If you have the starter out already. Being a manual transmission, you'll need it to be in Neutral when trying to turn it over by hand, just chock the wheels. I didn't see it was a manual trans until after my first few posts.
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Thursday, February 22nd, 2024 AT 9:37 AM
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Installed the used cable, went to try it, I got a different noise this time, it's a push button start, so tried it3 times, stopping between each turn and got a lot of smoke coming from around the starter so I stopped. Nothing from the battery cable this time. But I didn't do it long enough for the starter to develop this heat already, very strange. I had my share of bad starters, and they usually have different symptoms or noises, sometimes no noise at all, sometimes a click. When I tried here the noise was weird, grind noise maybe.I removed the + cable coming from battery to starter, and the negative cable from the ground to starter and the harness as well as top bolt, will remove the bottom bolt soon to see what is going on. Is it possible the starter is bad, or the engine just seized and therefore the starter isn't able to turn it and creates this much smoke?
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Saturday, February 24th, 2024 AT 3:55 PM
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Looks like the starter is also not working if how I am testing it is correct. If I pull the gear it comes out by hand. The engine is still not turning by hand. Is it possible even if gear is in neutral that transmission maybe has something preventing it from separating? Driver said car shut off as soon as he changed into 3rd gear at low speeds.
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Saturday, February 24th, 2024 AT 4:12 PM
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We are getting very close to a seized motor, which had oil, and was not being driven fast and with no symptoms. I still don't believe it. From a battery issue to a starter not sure what else.
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Saturday, February 24th, 2024 AT 4:16 PM
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Unless I am not putting enough force on the ratchet to turn the motor, which I doubt, as I turned by hand many motors in my life time. I think if I do any stronger it will either get loose or break, not sure.
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Saturday, February 24th, 2024 AT 4:26 PM
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In Neutral you should have no issue turning it over by hand, can you see up into the Clutch pressure plate with the starter out? And what if you have someone push the clutch in, can you turn it over by hand then? Something sounds fishy here. If you have someone push the clutch in, you should be able to see the pressure plate move somewhat, I'm not sure how much clearance there is to see with the starter out, but it does seem very unlikely to have a bad starter, and seized engine at the same time. Even with the plugs out. You can drain the oil and cut the oil filter in half to check for any metal particles. You can also pull the valve cover and see if a cam bearing seized up, Ill look through service info some more. I know this engine has a turbo and a lot of components on the top of the engine, or how easy it would be to pull the valve cover. But don't break the crank bolt off trying to force it over. If it's something on the top end keeping the timing belt/chain from rotating, the head can be replaced. But drilling out a crank shaft bolt is a real pain.
What's the VIN on this, so I can look it up by that?
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Saturday, February 24th, 2024 AT 6:34 PM
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#27 in the first diagram is the Vacuum pump, and the 2nd and 3rd the HP fuel pump. So, it could be either of these seized up, or a cam bearing. So, I wouldn't throw in the towel yet, we just need to figure out what happened.
Do they give you any idea of the condition of the engine at the auction, or is it pretty much take it as is? It seems very odd it would start and run, then whatever happened. The seller must have seen something or known something was up. The whole situation seems strange.
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Saturday, February 24th, 2024 AT 6:53 PM
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3VW5A7AJ9CM416372. Thanks all for the help. I can see part of the clutch yes, so try to turn it with a screwdriver at the flywheel teeth you mean? This is a big auction for CarMax and they don't spend time trying to figure out why a car will not start, they just announce an engine or a transmission when needed. If the car won't start that's enough for them. The car was dead as many usually are, not strange at all. But I always jump them. When I did it sounded like it was fuel starving a bit then smoothed out, and I mean smooth, no funny noises. Plus, whatever codes it had were mostly gone or all over the place but one was pointing towards a fuel issue, and then o2 sensors, nothing else that tells me it was major. Revved up the engine several times and it was smooth, has oil and coolant. No funny oil color.
My driver went to get it and he jumped it drove it out the gate and shifted it till he got to 3rd and then it died. He said it still had some lights with ignition on but would not make a noise as to crank. Ya whole thing is weird but I doubt she would seize just from a 1-minute drive when it was driven around before in order to park it where it was at the auction. Unless my luck is really bad. One of the codes was for the intake runner, plus the p130 and 135, but it is possible these were not all that are related.
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Sunday, February 25th, 2024 AT 4:54 AM
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Moved it by a screw driver and it moved same amount that the engine did, couple of inches or so. I actually hear a bump stop around the vac pump whenever the engine stops. Something prevents it from moving either like u said a frozen component or something inside the head. Ugh. I hate these vve covers and their design but I did remove them before including the vac pump and fuel pump. Am just afraid removing them and not finding anything and trying to turn the motor that I mess with timing of the cam, if I only removed the vac and fuel pumps.
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Sunday, February 25th, 2024 AT 5:19 AM
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Can I mark the location of cam from inside the cam lobe follower and try turning the engine after removing the pumps and if it does or doesn't take it back where it was? We only talking about couple of inches of movement.
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Sunday, February 25th, 2024 AT 5:20 AM
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Let me check service info on that, I believe it said to have the lobe that drives the pump at its lowest point, which in your case you can't do right now. But let me look through some Info, on it again. To me it looks like either the vacuum pump or HP fuel pump being seized up is going to cause the same effect. I don't work on VW, but I'll see what it says about replacing either of those pumps, they do list 2 different 2.0L Turbo versions here though, and I'm not sure what the difference is. If you want, you can leave the VIN it might make finding the correct info easier.
They have a 2012 VW Jetta GLI (162) 2.0L Turbo (CCTA) or the (CBFA) and those are the differences I'm not sure on, and that vacuum pump is for the brake booster.
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Sunday, February 25th, 2024 AT 8:31 AM
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3VW5A7AJ9CM416372

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Sunday, February 25th, 2024 AT 8:41 AM
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Okay, so diagrams 1-6 are for the HP fuel pump and 7-9 are for the vacuum pump, now obviously the only issue you will have here is the high-pressure fuel, if any in the rail. Since you can't pull the low-pressure feed pumps fuse and run the vehicle out of fuel. I would hook up a scan tool and see if you can check for a fuel rail pressure data PID to verify the pressure is not still high.
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Sunday, February 25th, 2024 AT 8:45 AM

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