Multiple misfires

Tiny
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  • 312,000 MILES
I just scanned my check engine light and I got 4 misfire codes for cylinders 1, 2, 5 and 6. I just replaced my spark plugs and ignition coils about 20,000 miles ago.
Sunday, October 18th, 2020 AT 7:17 PM

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Tiny
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Hi,

I looked at the pics you attached and noted a P0420. That is related to the catalytic converter. Is the misfire something that started all at once? I'm asking simply because I question if the catalytic converter may be partially plugged causing problems.

Also, keep in mind there are many things that can cause a misfire. Low compression, fuel pressure, vacuum leaks and so on. Is the scan tool you have provide live data? If it does, can you tell me what the short term fuel trims are?

Let me know. Also, here is a link that explains symptoms related to a bad catalytic converter. See if anything parallels what you have experienced before this started.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/bad-catalytic-converter-symptoms

Let me know.
Joe
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Sunday, October 18th, 2020 AT 8:01 PM
Tiny
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The P0420 code has been on for a couple years. The cost of that repair outweighs the value of the car and has never affected the driving. This rough acceleration issue started yesterday and I got to scan it today. The CEL is flashing. I have attached a picture of the live data.
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Sunday, October 18th, 2020 AT 8:13 PM
Tiny
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Hi,

The trims seem high. Are you able to check fuel pressure? The computer is trying to remove fuel frim the mixture which, in this case with multiple misfires, may indicate a bad regulator and high pressure. Under normal conditions, they should range in the + or - 10%.

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Joe
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Sunday, October 18th, 2020 AT 8:39 PM
Tiny
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I am trying to figure out where the Schroeder valve is to check the pressure.
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Monday, October 19th, 2020 AT 8:23 AM
Tiny
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Hi,

Here are the directions specific to your vehicle for testing fuel pressure. The manufacturer's specs are listed in the directions. The attached pic shows location to attach fuel pressure gauge.

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2006 Honda Truck Pilot 4WD V6-3.5L
Component Tests and General Diagnostics
Vehicle Powertrain Management Fuel Delivery and Air Induction Fuel Pump Fuel Pressure Testing and Inspection Component Tests and General Diagnostics
COMPONENT TESTS AND GENERAL DIAGNOSTICS
Fuel Pressure Test

Special Tools Required
- Fuel pressure gauge 07406-004000B
- Fuel pressure gauge attachment set 07AAJ-S6MA150

1. Relieve the fuel pressure.

Pic 1

2. Disconnect the quick-connect fitting. Attach the fuel pressure gauge set and the fuel pressure gauge.
3. Start the engine, and let it idle.
- If the engine starts, go to step 5.
- If the engine does not start, go to step 4.

4. Check to see if the fuel pump is running: listen to the fuel filler port with the fuel fill cap removed. The fuel pump should run for 2 seconds when the ignition switch is first turned on.
- If the pump runs, go to step 5.
- If the pump does not run, do the fuel pump circuit troubleshooting.

5. Read the fuel pressure gauge. The pressure should be 390 - 440 kPa (4.0 - 4.5 kgf/sq. Cm, 57 - 64 psi).
- If the pressure is OK, the test is complete.
- If the pressure is out of specification, replace the fuel pressure regulator and the fuel filter, then recheck the fuel pressure.

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Let me know what you find.

Joe
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Monday, October 19th, 2020 AT 7:35 PM
Tiny
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Okay, I must not have the right testing equipment from AutoZone. There is no way to hook up this gauge to the fuel system. I just sprayed fuel all over my engine and nothing registered on the gauge.
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Monday, October 19th, 2020 AT 8:10 PM
Tiny
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That isn't good. Can you take a pic of what you have so I can see it? Also, they should have the connectors for both ends of the fuel supply and a T to join the gauge to them.

Let me know. Be careful. Make sure to protect your eyes and always cover connections with a shop towel to prevent the fuel from spraying.

Let me know.
Joe
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Monday, October 19th, 2020 AT 8:25 PM
Tiny
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I screwed the T connector into the end of the gauge which fit perfect. The fuel line from the tank had an open narrow end so I put that end into a piece of provided hose. And the other end of the short hose into the brass T. The hose going to the engine had that quick connector end which fit over the Brass T, but there was not a tight fit so that’s where fuel shot out of.
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Monday, October 19th, 2020 AT 8:34 PM
Tiny
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Did it leak from the side that went to the engine? If so, check to make sure the o-ring in the connector isn't damaged or missing.

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Joe
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Monday, October 19th, 2020 AT 8:56 PM
Tiny
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So I took it in for diagnosis and it turns out it was just a bad coil. One of them that I replaced a year ago. Swapped it out and runs like a top again.
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Friday, October 23rd, 2020 AT 9:47 AM
Tiny
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Hi,

Interesting there was no code for a misfire. Since the coil was bad, that is what was likely causing the STFT to indicate a rich mixture.

Regardless, I'm glad to hear it's fixed. Please feel free to come back anytime in the future.

Take care,
Joe
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Friday, October 23rd, 2020 AT 9:06 PM

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