Transmission does not shift from first gear to second gear, in operable

Tiny
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Hi,

I know very little about how cars operate so I hope you can help me with this problem in terms anyone can understand. :)

My daughter was given the vehicle listed above stick-shift wagon by her grandfather last year and it is now inoperable. He did not drive it that often but was good at maintenance. The car worked relatively fine for some months, but when my daughter was learning to drive stick, she would somewhat often have an issue where the gear shift would not move correctly into 2nd gear. I pretty much never had this issue when I drove it, so I attributed it to her being too tentative and me a little more aggressive when shifting. However, my wife did tell me that she once had an incident years ago with this car where she could not get the car to shift correctly and was stuck at a stoplight for a minute. Very infuriating! She felt that her parents believed it could sometimes happen when it got cold, although no one could ever find anything wrong with it. We live in northern California, btw, so it can get cold, but not that cold and not for that long.

Anyhow, at some point this last fall/winter my daughter began to have shifting trouble more often and I then found that I could very rarely have it, as well. For me, because I shifted very firmly, it seemed I could get out of the problem fairly easily, but my daughter felt she just couldn't shift and would be stuck on the side of the road. Finally, she called me one day and said she couldn't drive it so I went out to see if I could get it going. The darn thing just didn't want to shift out of first going into second; it would grind terribly. I was able to get enough speed to bypass second and then the car drove fine at the higher gears. I tried downshifting to second and was sometimes able to do so, but other times not. As I approached home, I forced the shifter into second since I had enough speed to do so, and it actually let me. I then parked. Unfortunately, something must have snapped or become completely misaligned because when I tried to drive again, I appeared to be stuck in second. The shifter could move all over, but the car just died immediately when I released the clutch.

So, now the car won't shift at all and appears to be stuck in, I assume, second gear.

I hope that is enough information for you to give me a good sense of what is wrong and whether or not it is worth fixing. Thanks, in advance, for any help.

Friday, February 18th, 2022 AT 5:26 PM

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Tiny
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Hi,

The idea that the shifter moves all over without actually shifting leads me to believe the linkage has come apart. There are two cables between the shifter in the vehicle and the transmission. I attached a picture below to give you an idea of what I'm referring to.

Here is what I want you to do. Have a helper move the shifter around in the vehicle while you watch at the transmission to see if there is any movement in the cables. Also, make sure nothing has come disconnected (which I am suspecting at this point).

If you open the hood, you will see the cables on the transmission. Let me know what you find. Also, let me know if anyone has checked the transmission fluid level. If it is low or very dirty, it can cause a hard shift which may have led to a linkage issue.

Take care,

Joe

See pic below.
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Saturday, February 19th, 2022 AT 2:35 PM
Tiny
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Hi Joe,

Thanks for the reply. Before I try what, you suggest (as I have nearly zero experience of working on cars), I should update you on what I have discovered about this problem. Perhaps it will change your advice?

I was wrong to say the shifter knob moves all over the place. I think I misremembered how much play exists when the knob is in neutral. I cannot move the knob into any gear-changing position.

Also, I now realize the car is stuck in first gear. What I am able to do is keep the clutch fully depressed when starting it up and then disengage the emergency brake, after which I slowly release the clutch. I can then actually drive around in 1st gear! RPMs get a lot higher as I hit 20 MPH, so I don't go beyond that. But I cannot shift.

So, does it sound like the cables are broken or disconnected from the shifter or do you think it is something else now? Thanks.
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Saturday, February 19th, 2022 AT 5:50 PM
Tiny
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One more thing, if I open up the hood and look are the cables obvious, or do I need to move anything out of the way first? Can this be done while the car is off?
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Saturday, February 19th, 2022 AT 5:52 PM
Tiny
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Hi,

First, is the shifter loose? When you try to remove it from first, is there resistance?

Also, yes, check it with the engine off. Once you open the hood, you will see the engine. On the backside of the engine is the transmission. The cables are much larger than any of the wiring, so you shouldn't have any trouble finding them. If you can't, let me know.

Take care,

Joe
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Saturday, February 19th, 2022 AT 6:21 PM
Tiny
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Hi Joe,

Sorry for the delay. I haven't had time to work on the car until today. However, I took a short video of the result showing the gear cables moving around when someone moves the stick in the neutral position. That is all I can get the stick to do at this point.

Does this give you a better idea of the problem and what it might take to fix? I am not thinking I would be the one to fix it, but would like to know, generally, whether or not this would be expensive or not. Thanks.
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Saturday, March 5th, 2022 AT 12:34 AM
Tiny
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Hi,

There are two cables. I have a feeling the other one is the issue. Are you able to remove the console to inspect the cable and where it's attached? That will tell us if that is the issue.

When the linkage is moving, there appears to be play in the bushing which may have been causing what you experienced prior. Are you able to try and move the shift lever by hand? Also, do you see the other shift cable?

Let me know.

Joe
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Saturday, March 5th, 2022 AT 5:42 PM
Tiny
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Hi Joe.

I think my earlier submission didn't go through so sending it here again.

I am leery of trying to remove the console, as I have no idea how to do so and I am unsure how much more time I can spend on this issue. Separately, what are the bushings you mention?

I took some more video of the shifter cables moving when someone tries to shift, and I am hoping this video is more useful to you. What I am hoping to get is enough information that I can use when I call a mechanic for a rough estimation of what it would cost to fix this problem. Fingers crossed! Thanks.
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Saturday, March 12th, 2022 AT 12:29 PM
Tiny
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Hi,

I copied a pic from your video and circled two places where the linkage attaches, and the bushings would be. If you watch the video, you'll notice play in the connection before it starts to move the linkage. If that same play is in the opposite end, there is a chance the cable can't move the shift levers far enough.

So, first, tell a shop you need the shift linkage and bushings at the shifter checked. Also, ask what it would cost for all to be replaced. Meaning, he would replace both inside and under the hood bushings.

I'm seeing excessive play under the hood. If you want to try and remove the console, let me know and I'll try to help from here.

Let me know what I can do to help and what you find out.

Take care,

Joe

See pic below. Note: The red circle in the center is for the linkage under the upper cable. You can't see it too well in the pic.
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Saturday, March 12th, 2022 AT 5:05 PM

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