Loud engine when accelerating

Tiny
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  • 2008 JEEP GRAND CHEROKEE
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Just replaced fan because engine was overheating, that is good now. Noisy when I step on gas in gear only. Sometimes will not start and it slowly ticks as the engine cranks like its some resistance holding it from cranking fast. Battery is good.
Monday, January 14th, 2019 AT 5:49 AM

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Tiny
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Hi and thanks for using 2CarPros.

Was the noise present prior to replacement of the fan? Also, could the noise be described as a roar or sound like a jet? Now, for the ticking, does it seem to be coming from the starter?

If you could, record the sounds you hear and upload them so I can hear them.

Joe
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Monday, January 14th, 2019 AT 4:59 PM
Tiny
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Like a jet and if it was there before the fan it wasn't nearly as loud. I was thinking it was the fan clutch. Noise not from starter more like a weak battery that gets stronger, slowly turning then picking up speed, like a loose belt. It only happened twice in two months and one time nothing at all when I turned key, everything dead, then started a few minutes later.
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Tuesday, January 15th, 2019 AT 4:07 PM
Tiny
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Hi:

I will tell you that a new fan clutch can cause the noise to be much louder. I don't know where you are, so I don't know the temps you are in.

I replaced a fan clutch on an 07 with the 3.7L and when the vehicle is first started, it is loud as heck, but goes away within 30 seconds to a minute. Now, when it's really hot and the under hood temp is really hot, the fan will fully engage and it will remain loud until the temp is lowered. However, here in PA, the temps are cold, so the noise doesn't last.
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Tuesday, January 15th, 2019 AT 5:52 PM
Tiny
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I'm in North Jersey, I'm starting to think it's my transmission.
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Thursday, January 17th, 2019 AT 2:40 PM
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Has the check engine light staying on or is there anything that changes the sound?
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Thursday, January 17th, 2019 AT 2:52 PM
Tiny
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No light after installing fan, before the light said it was an emissions sensor, if I take out of drive to neutral the sound goes away.
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Friday, January 18th, 2019 AT 9:37 AM
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Welcome back.

That makes it sound like a transmission issue, but keep in mind, the load is removed from the engine and the RPM's change. Is it possible for you to record the sound and upload it for me to hear?

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Friday, January 18th, 2019 AT 6:55 PM
Tiny
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Truck won't start, turn key nothing, dash lights up battery strong, no noise no cranking.
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Wednesday, February 20th, 2019 AT 9:30 AM
Tiny
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Welcome back:

If the battery is good and nothing is happening, I would first check the basics. Check the starter fuse and relay. They are located in the power distribution box under the hood. I have attached a few pics. The relay can be switched with a different relay in the box that has the same part number. If you can't locate one, here is a link that shows how to check a relay:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-check-an-electrical-relay-and-wiring-control-circuit

Here are a few links that show how to use the tools needed to check the relay this way:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-use-a-test-light-circuit-tester

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-use-a-voltmeter

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-check-wiring

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If the relay doesn't make a difference, check the starter fuse. See the attached pictures for location. It is also in the under hood fuse box.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-a-car-fuse-works

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-check-a-car-fuse

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If the fuse and relay are good, then I need you to check if there is power to the starter solenoid. Here is a link that shows how that is done:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/starter-not-working-repair

Now, if you have power to the smaller wire on the solenoid as described in the aforementioned link and the starter has 12v direct from the battery at all times (the bigger wire on the starter), the starter is bad.

Here is a link that shows how in general to replace a starter:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-replace-a-starter-motor

Here are specific directions for replacement of the starter. The remaining pictures correlate with these directions.

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3.7/4.7L Starter Removal

Picture 6

1. Disconnect and isolate negative battery cable.
2. Raise and support vehicle.
3. Note: If equipped with 4WD, remove front drive shaft.
4. Note: If equipped with 4WD and certain transmissions, a support bracket is used between front axle and side of transmission. Remove 2 support bracket bolts at transmission. Pry support bracket slightly to gain access to lower starter mounting bolt.
5. Remove two bolts (3) if equipped with an automatic transmission.
6. Move starter motor (4) towards front of vehicle far enough for nose of starter pinion housing to clear housing. Always support starter motor during this process, do not let starter motor hang from wire harness.
7. Tilt nose downwards and lower starter motor far enough to access and remove nut (2) that secures battery positive cable wire harness connector eyelet (1) to solenoid battery terminal stud. Do not let starter motor hang from wire harness.
8. Remove battery positive cable wire harness connector eyelet (5) from solenoid battery terminal stud.
9. Disconnect battery positive cable wire harness connector from solenoid terminal connector receptacle.
10. Remove starter motor.

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Starter installation

3.7/ 4.7L

Picture 6

1. Connect solenoid wire to starter motor (snaps on).
2. Position battery cable (1) to solenoid stud. Install and tighten battery cable eyelet nut (2). Torque nut to 19 ft. lbs. (25 Nm). Do not allow starter motor to hang from wire harness.
3. Position starter motor (4) to transmission.
4. If equipped with automatic transmission, slide cooler tube bracket into position.
5. Install and tighten both bolts (3). Torque bolts to 50 ft. lbs. (68 Nm).
6. Note: If equipped with 4WD and certain transmissions, a support bracket is used between front axle and side of transmission. Install 2 support bracket bolts at transmission.
7. Note: If equipped with 4WD, install front drive shaft.
8. Lower vehicle.
9. Connect negative battery cable.

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Let me know the results you find. If there is no power to the starter solenoid when the key is in the start position, we need to start breaking down wiring schematics to determine what could be the cause.

I hope this helps. Again, let me know what you find.

Joe
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Wednesday, February 20th, 2019 AT 2:10 PM
Tiny
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Great, thank you. Only problem I have now is the cover doesn't show which relay is starter relay.
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Wednesday, February 20th, 2019 AT 8:44 PM
Tiny
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I was all set to get a new starter selenoid but the truck started up, its 50 degrees today up from 30, not sure what to do.

I found this someone posted from the same year jeep. They replaced the WCM (Wireless Control Module) and it worked great until 12/23 when the Jeep did not start. I took it back to the jeep dealer, and again, they could not tell my why it locked-up because it was starting every time for them.

Here is some information I found on the internet: There is a TSB out there for this issue (TSB #08-007-08 REV A). No Engine Crank or Engine start due to lockup of the WCM/SKREEM. "This condition may be due to an electrostatic discharge (ESD) from the ignition key into the WCM, causing the WCM to electronically lockup; May occur more frequently in dry/cold conditions"

One quick solution is the remove the IOD Fuse (with the Jeep off and Key out of the ignition) for about 60 seconds and reinsert it then start. I tried this twice and it worked on the second try.

I noticed that when it does not start on me, it usually takes a full day for the car to reset and then it starts.
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Thursday, February 21st, 2019 AT 12:17 PM
Tiny
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Welcome back:
That could be an issue. What I suggest is to see if that procedure works again if the issue reoccurs.

As far as what you said, do you mean the starter relay and not the solenoid? The solenoid is on the starter. That is where the wires connect to. The relay is located in the underhood power distribution box. It is relay number 8. I attached a picture for you to see.

Let me know what happens.

Joe
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Thursday, February 21st, 2019 AT 6:52 PM

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