Is a low compression engine going to seize up?

Tiny
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I Googled symptoms of low compression and I got everything from rough running to poor performance to turning over too fast but not starting, but I am wondering does a low compression-plagued or poor compression-plagued or tired engine seize up or fail to turn altogether? I know that the other engine wear problem low oil pressure from worn out bearings and crankshaft journals can cause an engine to seize up after a while of it knocking but does low compression cause an engine to seize up or fail to crank? I know you have rules about just asking one question at a time, so I just ask one question, does low compression cause an engine to seize up like low oil pressure does?
Monday, March 4th, 2024 AT 1:31 PM

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Tiny
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No. In fact it may be less likely to fail. The first problem is you must identify the cause of the low compression. We used to do that with a cylinder leakage tester. I suspect by now you're familiar with a compression tester gauge. It looks at how much pressure a piston pushes out of its cylinder. A cylinder leakage tester works the opposite way. There's no check valve in its hose. You inject compressed air into the cylinder, through the spark plug hole, and through the tester which has a pressure regulator built in. The gauge shows the percentage of leakage. As I recall, anything under ten percent is good, but much more importantly, you can check four places to identify where that leakage is occurring.

For each cylinder tested, its piston must be at top dead center on the compression stroke so both valves are closed. It's best to do this after the engine has been warmed up so parts fit better. Pistons in particular are slightly oval-shaped when cold. They expand non-linearly, meaning they become closer to round when they expand from engine heat.

The first place to check for leakage is at the tail pipe. Expect to hear a little hissing, but it shouldn't be excessive. That's a sign of leakage past the exhaust valve.

Next, listen by the intake manifold or throttle body with it opened up. Hissing there is caused by leakage past the intake valve.

Most import engines are of the "interference" design, meaning, if the timing belt breaks or jumps a few teeth, the open valves will be hit and bent by the pistons as they coast to a stop. Replacing bent valves is a rather expensive repair. They usually don't cause slightly low compression. Bent valves result in no compression at all. The hissing at the tail pipe or throttle body will be unmistakenly loud.

Next, we listen by the Oil fill cap. If you hear the hissing there, it's caused by worn piston rings. That can be caused by low oil pressure due to other causes, but it results in less oil being squirted onto the cylinder walls to lubricate the pistons and rings. Beyond that, metals have come so far, those piston rings can last three and four hundred thousand miles.

The last place to check is for a stream of tiny bubbles in the radiator. Many are designed today to make that nearly impossible, but if you do see that, it's a sign combustion gases are leaking into the cooling system, usually through a corroded cylinder head gasket, but possibly through a crack in a cylinder head. or cylinder wall. These leaks are almost always much too small to show up with compression readings.

Engines with low compression typically run uncommonly smoothly. Lower cylinder pressures are built up. Think of gently pushing your friend sideways to make him lose his balance, vs. punching him in the shoulder to make him fall over. The light push gets the job done, but with less reaction and smoother action.

Badly worn piston skirts from prolonged lack of lubrication can lead to piston slap. I have no way to describe that unless you've already heard it at some point. Engines can run like that for years. It won't cause seizing on its own, but if a lot of metal particles build up and manage to make it through the oil filter, they could collect in the crankshaft and connecting rod bearings. That will cause their extremely soft first layer of metal to tear apart. Once that starts, the damage accelerates very quickly. The resulting knocking can start within a few miles.

These are a lot of "ifs". I've owned low-compression engines in cars with well over 400,000 miles. Seizing or other damage was the last thing on my mind. My biggest concern was the slightly lower power, and would I be able to pass that freight train of cars when it became absolutely "necessary".

Be aware too how differently you have to treat high-compression, high-performance engines. They don't idle as smoothly. They require a higher octane gas that's harder to ignite, but it prevents spark knock. (Higher octane gas does not produce more power on its own). Stresses on many parts are much higher so those are more prone to failure. To prevent a list of other problems, turbocharged engines start out with a lower compression ratio than normal, typically in the order of 7.2:1 instead of 8:1. Diesel engines have compression ratios in the order of 22:1. You know it when you're standing next to one of them. Noisy and rough, but lots of power waiting to be unleashed. Also very high cost of maintenance and repairs compared to their lower compression gas counterparts.

Also consider the timing of spark and valve opening is critical to engine performance. If a timing belt jumped one tooth, or more likely was accidentally installed one tooth off, compression and power will be greatly reduced. None of that will lead to total engine failure, but the vehicle will not be very fun to drive.

Here's links to some related articles you might find helpful:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/the-reasons-for-low-compression

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/symptoms-of-low-compression

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-test-engine-compression

Also consider that we expect to find different types of defects or failures depending on whether all cylinders are equally low, or just one cylinder is low. Mechanical problems like a broken rocker arm can restrict incoming air flow and reduce how much it can be compressed. That will only apply to one cylinder. The rest will be normal.
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Monday, March 4th, 2024 AT 3:36 PM
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Thank you Caradiodoc, now if that doesn't disturb you, I will talk about our 2014 Nissan Versa SV engine, while it is idling the tailpipe is puffing and I can feel it puffing with my fingers, and also the puffing tailpipe is sooty and soot-covered, the tachometer RPM is a steady 500 RPM when idling with the transmission in drive at the red light, when I open the hood while it is idling and I listen to the intake manifold then it makes a growling sound which gets a little louder when I listen to the front of the engine valve cover right in front of the two variable valve timing solenoids and right above the variable valve timing actuators or variable valve timing sprockets and the timing chain that drives them and right behind the front motor mount, I can't open the oil filler cap while it is idling because if I do then synthetic oil will spew and splatter right out of the opened oil filler cap and I am not supposed to open the radiator cap while the engine is warm at operating temperature, when the engine is cold and first started in moderately cold North Florida winter weather let's say at morning temperatures in the upper 30s and 40s Fahrenheit or single digits Celsius then the tachometer RPM are 1,500 RPM before slightly going down to 1,000 RPM allegedly because the coolant temperature sensor thermistor adjusts the silicon plate and the electronic injector valves to open higher and also the growling engine noise is a little bit louder when it's idling fast at moderately cold Florida winter weather, we have the engine since it was 7,000 miles and three years old in January of 2017 and now it is ten years old and 98,600 miles and since we got it seven years ago we have been doing 3 month or 3,000 mile interval synthetic oil changes at Walmart, we used to be using bottled synthetic oil but lately we had been doing bulk synthetic oil because it is easier to write in a synthetic oil change request note than specifying what kind of bottled synthetic oil we want, but the last time we did our synthetic oil change we had done it at Crystal River Fast Lube and Repair and they put 4 months and 5,000 miles on the oil change reminder sticker and now we are over 3,000 miles and over 3 months on our current synthetic oil and we worry about our engine, I know you had said earlier that you had a Dodge minivan with a 3.0 Liter V-6 engine and you were just adding oil to it and changing the oil filter every 2 years and it didn't seize up for 440,000 miles and you had stopped driving it only because it had rusted out from the chemical deicing road salts but in our case Florida summers are hot with temperatures in the 90s Fahrenheit or 30s Celsius and so we need more frequent lubrication replenishing or lubrication renewals, I also forgot to mention that while our engine is idling warm it is shaking slightly with the air intake hose moving but the whole car doesn't shake just the engine shakes, Wow, as I can see below I have successfully uploaded an internet photo of a removed engine like the engine in our 2014 Nissan Versa SV, so the growling noise is on top of the middle of the intake manifold and is a little bit louder behind the motor mount in front of the engine and the removed engine in this photo seemingly includes the front motor mount, Thank you Caradiodoc for telling me that a low compression plagued engine won't seize up and it will just run unevenly or run rough and all we have to do is 3 month or 3,000 mile interval synthetic oil changes at Walmart and yes when the 4 months on our current oil are over we are going to go back to Walmart for synthetic oil changes.
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Tuesday, March 5th, 2024 AT 2:47 AM
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It sounds like you're getting "wrapped around the axle" with way too much information and misinterpretations. You're going to give yourself ulcers worrying about things no one else does.

For your oil changes, your attitude should be, "well, I don't have time to get it done today. I'll try to get at it next week.

What the oil is packaged in is irrelevant. There can be dozens of different size and shape containers coming down the conveyor belt, including some labeled for discount store brands, and they all get filled from the same tank. The cost per quart varies only because of the different costs of those containers and how they have to be shipped. My dealership used to get bulk oil delivered from a tank truck, but it was the same that was packaged in plastic quart and gallon jugs for customers who wanted to take them home.

For the engine noise, the place most of us would start is by listening next to the pulleys with a stethoscope while the engine is idling. If the bearings in one is causing a grinding or buzzing sound, it will be obvious. Another approach is to remove the serpentine belt and run the engine long enough to see if the noise is gone. If it's still there, then it's due to something internal to the engine. The biggest cause of buzzing noises are the idler and tensioner pulleys.

You'll need a live person to see if the engine is running properly. The "putt putt" at the tail pipe is normal. It's when that turns into a smooth, steady hiss that we are concerned. That is caused by a plugged catalytic converter. Engines do vibrate when running, and four-cylinder engines do that more noticeably. That's why all engines and transmissions are mounted on rubber mounts. That prevents the vibration from transmitting into the passenger compartment.
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Tuesday, March 5th, 2024 AT 3:05 PM
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Thank you very much Caradiodoc for informing me that the noise is mostly caused by the manual serpentine belt tensioner, while I can't run the engine with either the battery or generator disconnected because disconnecting either component causes damage to the engine computer, transmission computer, body control module (for power locks), and electric power steering module and I don't know if it has a coil-on-plug ignition module or the engine computer controls the direct ignition coils, while all of the above computers are damaged if either the battery or generator are disconnected at least now I know that mostly the culprit of the noise is the manual serpentine belt tensioner and I am no longer ill-at-ease because an engine can't seize up due to the serpentine belt tensioner, and also I can rest easier knowing that both bulk synthetic oil and bottled synthetic oil have the same lubricating molecules that cushion crankshaft journals, bearing inserts, cylinder walls and piston skirts, oil pump chain, oil pump, timing chain, variable valve timing actuators, variable valve timing sprockets and variable valve timing solenoids, camshaft journals and bearings, camshaft lobes, valve tappets, valve springs, at least I know now that all oil lubricating and cushioning molecules are the same regardless of where they are stored or which containers they are stored, yes I can't delay the oil change by a week or so but I can't go for years without an oil change and with only oil filter changes like your 440,000 mile Dodge minivan went because like you said earlier you don't treat your newer variable valve timing equipped vehicles like the 440,000 minivan because the variable valve timing solenoid screens can clog and restrict oil flow to the timing chain, you are a very good mechanic Caradiodoc and enjoy your vehicles and Happy Motoring
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Wednesday, March 6th, 2024 AT 1:38 AM
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You're bouncing off in too many unrelated directions. Computer modules don't become damaged from disconnecting the battery. If that were the case, millions would be failing every day when the cars' batteries have to be replaced. You may have read warnings about some modules locking up from simply disconnecting the battery. That is designed in to force owners to trailer their cars to the dealer to have them unlocked, often for over $1000.00. BMW, VW, Audi, and GM are the worst examples of this customer-unfriendly business practice. Any time that is a potential concern, there are inexpensive "memory savers" to keep the computer's memories alive while the battery is disconnected. The problem is those are for when the battery must be replaced. When the service instructions say to disconnect the battery during the service, you don't want to use a memory saver as that takes the place of the battery. These memory savers usually plug into the diagnostic connector under the steering column. They have a very small internal battery which is more than sufficient to do the job. Years ago, when replacing batteries at the dealership, I connected a small battery charger to the battery cables, but not because it was needed. It was doing so was easier and faster than resetting the clock and the customer's radio presets. It was just a time saver that saved me perhaps two minutes per vehicle.

Regardless, the battery doesn't have to be disconnected to remove the serpentine belt. On some engines all that is required is to pull the spring-loaded tensioner pulley to the released position so the engine won't run the belt. The belt just has to be loose on the crankshaft pulley. Run the engine long enough to tell if the noise is gone. That can be one to two minutes; far longer than necessary, without causing a problem.

Some serpentine belts can be really difficult to remove, and even harder to figure out how to route them when reinstalling them. For those, just pull it off the crankshaft pulley and leave it routed around all the other pulleys. This is a common procedure we do all the time when trying to locate the cause of a buzzing noise. If the noise is still there, you'll know it the instant you start the engine, but you can cross off things like generator bearings, power steering pump bearings, and tensioner and idler pulley bearings as the cause of the noise.

If the noise is gone with the belt not running, it's those same items to look at. Most of the time you can figure out which one is responsible by spinning the pulley by hand. You can feel the roughness, or there may be a lot of play in the shaft. Often the noisy one just sounds dry, like there's no grease in the bearings.
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Wednesday, March 6th, 2024 AT 3:48 PM
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I am so sorry Caradiodoc, I didn't mean to hurt you by being too wordy and too loquacious in my past replies, what I had meant was that if you disconnect the battery terminals with the engine running just to see if the generator is working then the generator produces a surge of voltage or amperage or amperes which damages the integrated circuits and power transistors of the silicon plates for fuel injection, coil-on-plug ignition, power door locks, transaxle, electric power steering. I know you mentioned a power steering pump pulley but I didn't have a vehicle with hydraulic power steering in almost a decade, our current 2014 Nissan Versa SV is equipped with an electric power steering with a torque sensor, steering wheel position sensor, power steering module and motor. I know that in the past you had told me to go the nearest college with an automotive program if I want to learn even more details of auto mechanics than I have been listing on this platform or this thread or this website but tuition and text books like Auto Engines by James Duffy are so prohibitively expensive that it is much cheaper and much more frugal and much more economical to just pay Walmart for the three month or 3,000 mile interval bulk synthetic oil changes, pay AutoZone for an extra quart of STP high mileage full synthetic oil to top off the crankcase between or among oil changes and pay Tire Kingdom for the occasional repair our vehicle needs and in its 10 years or 99,000 miles it just needed a couple of batteries, an electric cooling fan, and the synthetic oil changes, oops I was too wordy again, thank you Caradiodoc
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Thursday, March 7th, 2024 AT 12:47 AM
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Nope. Keep 'em coming. That's what we're here for. I actually run into the opposite of what you said, about removing battery cables, from many uninformed people. I apologize that I missed it that you meant while the engine was running. You are exactly correct about that. I've never heard this about Nissans, but once GM redesigned their generators for 1987 models, those develop huge voltage spikes. It is the battery that dampens and absorbs those harmful spikes, but as they age, the lead naturally flakes off the plates, then they lose their ability to do that. It has been really common now for a GM vehicle to go through four to six replacement generators in the life of the vehicle. The voltage spikes they develop are what takes out the internal diodes and / or voltage regulator. Those spikes can interfere with delicate engine sensor signals too and cause strange running problems. To reduce the number of these repeat failures, replace the battery at the same time, unless it is less than about two years old. The old battery can work fine in an '86 or older model.

This trick of removing a battery cable to tell if the generator is working goes back to when mechanics didn't understand how these simple systems work or how to diagnose them. Back in the '60s and '70s there were no delicate electronics to damage, but the trick still had a major flaw. It revolves around the fact that all "AC generators", ("alternator" is technically a Chrysler term), have at least six "diodes". Those are one-way valves for electrical current flow. If one of them fails, the most current that can be developed is exactly one third of its rated output current. That is a generator in need of replacement, but it can keep an older engine running, so the test gives a false result. In some other car brands, the voltage regulator watches the slight dips in voltage that are part of the normal output voltage in three-phase systems, which these are. The regulator will shut down a perfectly fine generator when the battery cable is removed. In this case, people replace what they think was a bad generator, then still have the same problem they were chasing originally.

Today that trick of removing a battery cable has much more serious consequences. Even to the point a mechanic caught doing it is likely to be fired. An engine might stay running with a bad generator, or it might shut off with a good one, so the test is pointless, but it's those voltage spikes that start the problem. Every year I did a demonstration for my students with a generator test bench. When I removed one battery cable, it was possible to get the generator's output voltage to exceed 30 volts. Computers do not tolerate that, and most will be damaged. Besides damping out those voltage spikes, the battery is a part of the voltage regulator's circuit, and it is needed to allow it to maintain safe system voltage. The only thing that saves some competent do-it-yourselfers is all generators are very inefficient at lower speeds. System voltage won't run away if the engine stays at idle speed. Normal testing requires us to raise engine speed to 2,000 rpm.

I should stop here a minute and explain, to generate a current mechanically, you need three things. You need a wire, (we use coils of wire because their more efficient), you need a magnet, (we use an electromagnet because it's easy to adjust its strength), and most importantly, you need movement between them. That's why we have to spin the electromagnet with a belt and pulley. It's not practical to adjust current output by adjusting engine speed while you're driving. That's why we do it with the voltage regulator adjusting how much current it sends through the field winding. That's the spinning electromagnet.

It's that movement between the coils of wire and the electromagnet that is required, and that gets to be too low at idle speed. At that point the generator's efficiency is so low, damage to computers is often avoided when a battery cable is removed. It's if engine speed is increased that the damage starts to occur.

Again, a lot of my story refers to GM vehicles. All other manufacturers use similar circuits to run their generators, but to my knowledge, none of them have the same problems with voltage spikes. It's only on GM vehicles I recommend replacing the battery when they have to replace the generator.

Nissan was one of the first to use the electric steering gear you mentioned. I attended a class built around that design. I have a similar system in my Ram truck. They're perfectly suited for an electric car where there's nothing to run a hydraulic pump, but the design has been incorporated into other models too. The cost to replace the rack and pinion assembly has come down a lot the last few years, but it is still about ten times higher than for the old, standard hydraulic assemblies. They are no easier or more difficult to replace, but there's no pump or leaking hoses to worry about. The biggest advantage is it's easy to build in other optional add-on systems like stability control. The biggest disadvantage is it greatly adds to the complexity of wheel alignments with needing to reset sensors, and it adds more computers to a system that never needed these touchy computers before. The old systems were so reliable, trouble-free, and easy to diagnose and repair. Those days are gone.
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Thursday, March 7th, 2024 AT 5:13 PM
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Thank you very much Caradiodoc for informing me, I actually didn't know that those three positive and three negative diodes in the back of the rectifier assembly I didn't know the diodes were valves, I thought they were just electronic chips like the integrated circuits on top of a silicon plate's circuit board but not valves like the electronic fuel injectors are, so the wire you are talking about must be the generator's stator windings, and the magnet must be the rotor's electromagnetic poles and the movement is done by the pulley, bearings, and serpentine belt, I got it Caradiodoc, I know now that running the generator with the battery disconnected damages the electronic module circuits but if the battery won't hold a charge and is being discharged but is still connected to the generator will that also damage the computer modules? Thank you again Caradiodoc and you are a very good teacher and also I heard that jumpstarting the battery will cause a voltage surge that will fry the computers but before we went to O'Reilly auto parts to replace our last battery we needed to jumpstart the 2014 Nissan Versa SV at the Circle K convenience store, it's still running but it's running rough but earlier you had told me that the rough idle is normal especially in four cylinder engines and that the rubber motor mounts cushion the engine's rough idle, is there a chance any of our car computers got damaged from the jumpstarting we had done though the engine still works, thank you Caradiodoc
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Friday, March 8th, 2024 AT 1:42 AM
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"but if the battery won't hold a charge and is being discharged but is still connected to the generator will that also damage the computer modules?"

No. Now you're describing system voltage that is too low, not too high. When it's too low, at some point each computer will start to do weird things or shut down entirely.

A different problem that hasn't been mentioned yet is blowing fuses. All computers have capacitors in them that store electrical charges. Think of them as extremely small batteries. Those will recharge after power has been removed, then restored. Simply reconnecting a battery cable can result in a rush of current sufficient to blow a fuse for one or multiple computers. After that, all that is required is to locate any blown fuse and replace it. There is no other damage.

The same thing can happen when connecting jumper cables. Most of the time, since the dead battery is still providing some voltage to keep the capacitors charged, there is no current surge when the jumper cables are connected, however, if some system does go dead after the jump start, it will be due to a blown fuse and nothing more. To avoid that possibility, I like to connect jumper cables while the other car's engine is stopped. Depending on how dead the dead battery is, that engine may start without having to start the jumping engine.

These are all precautions to prevent what doesn't happen very often.
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Friday, March 8th, 2024 AT 4:33 PM
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Thank you Caradiodoc, now if you don't mind I have a final question about the 2014 Nissan Versa SV's generator, the owner's manual is calling it a generator and not an alternator or AC generator, I already know that the difference between or among a direct current generator and an alternating current alternator is that the DC generator is producing direct current whose electrons flow in one direction only, while the AC alternator or AC generator is producing alternating current whose electrons flow in many multiple directions and when that alternating current leaves the stator windings then it is changed or converted or transformed to direct current by the alternator rectifier assembly's three positive and three negative diodes, (I know now that earlier you had defined the diodes as one way electrical valves and not the electronic circuits I thought they were thus the change or conversion or transformation to direct current whose electrons flow in one way only), so my question about my generator and the owner's manual is calling it a generator and not an alternator, while I can see those red stator windings on the top of it underneath the silver cover I am wondering does it have bearings, internal fan, electromagnetic poles on a claw-pole rotor, rectifier assembly with three positive and three negative diodes, voltage regulator? (I am asking about a voltage regulator because I don't see an integral voltage regulator behind it like I used to see with domestic cars, I just see a wiring harness going behind it), to make the questions easier I uploaded an internet photo of a Nissan Versa alternator to clarify the parts that I don't see and I am wondering if it has, thank you Caradiodoc.
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Saturday, March 9th, 2024 AT 2:07 AM
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Most people don't pick up on that. The issue has to do with the importance of using correct terminology in the classroom. DC generators do indeed put out direct current. The biggest drawback was the field windings were the stationary coils, that had the typical three amps flowing through them, and the output current was taken off the rotating armature. All that current had to pass through the brushes, so 30 amps was about the best you could get.

AC generators pass, at maximum, three amps through the brushes into the rotating field winding. That's real easy to do, and it has no effect on the output current rating of the unit. Where the confusion comes in, is the AC generator was developed by Chrysler for their 1960 models, and they copyrighted the term, "alternator". GM had their version in 1964, and Ford had theirs a year or two later, but they used the term "generator" in their service manuals. Regardless, everyone knows what we mean when we ask for an alternator. All of them put out three-phase output which is very stable and efficient, but it is three alternating current circuits. Only direct current can be stored chemically in a battery. It's the diodes that reroute the currents so it all goes the same way into the battery. Diodes are used in all electronic equipment that's plugged into house outlets, as far back as since we had electrical power in homes.

Chrysler was the world leader in innovations that benefitted car owners. That includes the first electronic voltage regulator in 1970, the first fully electronic ignition system in 1972 on Dodges and 1973 on Plymouths and Chryslers, the first computer-controlled ignition system for 1977, first anti-lock brakes in 1969, lockup torque converter in 1977, first to use air bags, first computer-controlled transmission in 1989.

Not all of those innovations were perfected right away. By the time all the bugs were worked out, other manufacturers had their versions. Today GM is one of the leaders in innovations, but theirs are designed to make more money after the sale. That includes computer modules that have to be purchased through the dealer and the dealer has to program them to your car. In a recent case, my friend already had the new module, then the dealer charged him $600.00 for the few minutes it took to install the software and program it to the truck. As with everything else, it gets copied by everyone later, so today we're all paying for these customer-unfriendly business practices.

Most import generators have the voltage regulator built in. The advantage is there's nothing to diagnose; just replace the assembly. The advantage to having the regulator be a separate module is you only have to replace the defective part, not everything. Chrysler domestic models have never used an internal regulator. GM was the only one that had theirs built in starting somewhere around 1972. In my opinion, it was the world's second best design. It was easy to diagnose, and it was easy to repair once the aftermarket industry made replacement parts available. GM dropped that nice design and went to, by far, the world's worst design starting with 1987 models. Ford also used to have a separate regulator, but around the early '90s, they went to a nice unit with the regulator bolted right on the back where it was easy to get to, diagnose, and replace. Later they added an extra cover to the back to make it very difficult to diagnose.

As for the fan, I think you'll find one in every generator, but some are inside and some are set on the shaft before the pulley is pressed on. All have a bearing in front and on back. In that respect, all of the designs work the same way.

Very often there's two, three, or four different current ratings for a generator for a given model. It's important to note that AC generators will only develop exactly the amount of current needed by the electrical system, and to recharge the battery, and no more. The original generator size was chosen to meet the highest demands of the car's electrical system. There's no advantage to switching to one with a higher current rating. It won't develop any more current. It simply has the capacity to develop a higher maximum current. All that's needed to achieve that higher capacity is to add a few inches of wire to each stator coil. You can switch to a generator with a different current rating, but there is one time that can cause a problem. On older cars, a fuse link wire was spliced into the wire going from the alternator's output terminal to the battery. Those are a small section of smaller diameter wire with insulation that won't melt or burn. On later models there's a very large fuse in the fuse box, and it's usually bolted in. Those fuse devices are sized at the factory based on the current rating of the generator being installed. If you switch to the larger generator, it still will only develop only as much current that's needed, except during the "full-load output current test". That is a professional test that is done to verify it can develop as much current as it's supposed to be capable of, and it will help identify when one diode has failed. This test just takes a few seconds, but a larger generator might be able to develop more current than the fuse is rated for. Fuse link wires used by Chrysler and older GMs, act like slow-blow fuses, so they might survive this test. Regular fuses that are bolted in will blow, but there's no actual defect. Just replace the fuse.

Remember when I said one of the things needed to generate a current is to have movement between the magnet and the piece of wire? And that the slower that movement is, the less efficient the generator will be? This relates to the pole pieces you asked about. The field winding is one long piece of wound-up wire, with a north and a south pole. The strength of the magnet is seriously increased by adding an iron core to concentrate the magnetic lines of force. They cut those pole pieces into a group of fingers that each has a north or south pole around them. Instead of switching polarity twice per revolution, you get about a dozen north / south transitions per revolution. In effect, the speed of the movement of the magnetic field is sped up a lot. That adds to its efficiency. Without those fingers, you'd need the engine to run at around 5,000 rpm before substantial current would start to be generated.
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Saturday, March 9th, 2024 AT 3:33 AM
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Now I fully understand Caradiodoc, that's why an alternator rotor's electromagnetic poles are claw shaped and not rectangular like the starter motor's electromagnetic poles, because claw-shaped electromagnetic poles allow for more field windings to pass through them and for more North and South electromagnetic poles and so they produce more current or electricity without having to race the engine through the red tachometer line, you are a very good teacher and a very good instructor Caradiodoc and keep up the good work.
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Saturday, March 9th, 2024 AT 11:56 AM
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Saturday, March 9th, 2024 AT 3:59 PM

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