Intermittent turn over, no lights, no sounds?

Tiny
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  • 2004 HONDA CRV
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  • 2WD
  • AUTOMATIC
  • 125,000 MILES
Intermittent starts for approximately three months, eventually starts, have not been stranded:

Turn the key all the way on, dash lights come on for a couple of seconds then turn off, and nothing. No sound (dead silence). Turn the key back to off, green key light on dash flashes 10 times or so, turns off; do this a few times and it begins to turn over on the 3rd or 4th try and will start.
And now after 3 months of that scenario, I now have to push the gas pedal for it to catch a start when it does turn over (turn over is usually slow).

OBD reads only O2 sensor issue, but have had that for 2 years (yes, need to change).

Added new spark plugs 2 weeks ago, got about 10 no problem starts, and the issue began again. Found oil in one spark plug well, replacing valve cover/o-ring (top) gaskets & ignition coils next week.

Read everything it could be, checked symptoms of those items, and of the issues listed, the car doesn't have symptoms of those failing parts.

What could possibly cause a completely dead reaction with key in on position, (as mentioned above) until the third try, and then the engine begins to turn over and I give it gas and it starts?

Thank you for any input, no matter what ideas you may have. Please tell me.

Thanks,
L.A.
Sunday, November 13th, 2022 AT 9:01 AM

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Tiny
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A common cause of this is a loose or corroded battery cable clamp, but even more common on all brands and models for many years is a loose bolt that connects the smaller battery positive wire to the under-hood fuse box. I added the red arrows to these drawings to show what to look for. Tighten that bolt.

Be careful when using metal tools on that bolt. It must not touch that bolt, (or nut) and any metal part on the body or engine at the same time. That would cause a huge shower of sparks and can even weld the tool in place and turn it red hot. The danger potential is only there when someone isn't aware of that possibility. Just be careful and it will take longer to open the hood than it does to tighten the bolt.

Let me know if that solves the problem.
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Sunday, November 13th, 2022 AT 12:43 PM
Tiny
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Hey, thanks for such a quick reply!. Sorry it took a while to get back. After checking and re-checking the devil was in the starter after all, it's too bad that's a part that has to be bench tested causing it to be a more expensive fix. Your suggestion was a great tip to tuck in my pocket for any future issues, those wires do look great on that fuse box. No corrosion or looseness. You were awesome in your response, very grateful for your input!
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Saturday, December 17th, 2022 AT 1:14 PM
Tiny
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Happy to hear you solved this. What was wrong with the starter, and how did you find it?

Normally I recommend against bench-testing starters as it runs them with no load. That's easy to do even for a failing starter. Other parts of the starter can be tested off the engine. That pertains to the solenoid which isn't affected by load.

If you can add details about this that might help someone else, please do so. Then please come back to see me with your next problem.
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Saturday, December 17th, 2022 AT 7:09 PM
Tiny
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Hey, good to know for the future, about bench testing the starter. I had the starter changed out when I took the car to a shop to change the valve cover gasket. Based on my description of symptoms and in the way that it didn't start after the gasket was replaced, they said it was probably the starter, but no promises.

Fortunately, it did solve the problem.I was having nightmares of it ending up being an expensive search for something electrical. Those hourly charges for searching add up fast!

Apparently, the intermittent starting was caused by the starter moving slightly forward with every turn of the key, and then catch a useable spot and start up, which is why it WAS starting after a few tries, and it would have eventually stopped working altogether.

Thanks for your help. You're awesome. I'm up and onward to the next eventual part failure of an older car, haha but you know the story, take good care of it and these Hondas can go to 300 thousand miles!

Enjoy the holidays this year, here's looking forward to the next birthday of my 2004 CRV!

All the best, Joe
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Thursday, December 22nd, 2022 AT 6:36 PM
Tiny
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Dandy. Will add that to my memory banks.
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Saturday, December 24th, 2022 AT 3:56 PM

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