Heated seats will not stay on

Tiny
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  • 2003 GMC YUKON
  • 6.0L
  • V8
  • 4WD
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  • 100,000 MILES
Have trouble with my heated seats both passenger and drivers when button is pressed it lights up and shuts down after 20 seconds. I think it's one of the elements but don't know which one. Just need help in right direction on how to test. Thanks
Thursday, December 10th, 2020 AT 3:12 PM

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Tiny
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Hi,

If they both started having the same problem at the same time, I suspect the circuit breaker is weak and may need to be replaced. There is a 30 amp circuit breaker under the dash. The idea that it runs for 20 seconds and then turns off, either the CB is bad, the switch can't handle the load anymore, or we have a short.

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If you look at pic 1, it shows a portion of the wiring schematic. I circled the power supply and pic 2 shows the circuit breaker location in the relay block.

Check to see if the relay is getting extremely hot when the seats are on. If it is, try replacing it. If it doesn't, let me know.

Take care,
Joe
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Thursday, December 10th, 2020 AT 7:26 PM
Tiny
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Okay, I started it up turned on the drivers back heat button and hand on that 30Amp fuse did not get hot turned off after 10 seconds. But when I pressed the seat bottom or both button it shut off soon as I let go of button hand still on fuse didn't get hot. Tried another spare switch I had that is good off another truck and did exact same thing. So reinstall original switch.
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Friday, December 11th, 2020 AT 7:58 AM
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Hi,

Okay, if the circuit breaker is kicking, then here is what I want you to try. Disconnect one seat at a time and try the opposite seat to see if it still happens. Hopefully, it will narrow things down.

If you can determine it to be one specific seat, disconnect it and check the resistance between the power supply wire (disconnected from power) and ground. Let's see if there is a short to ground or if there is extensive resistance in the component.

Joe
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Friday, December 11th, 2020 AT 10:04 PM
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Okay, I need to know if I am testing correct wires and connectors. I did test both power orange+ and black on main bigger plug behind the seats. I get 12 volts on both seats. Need a bit more info on testing correct wire color and plug. I may have found the back heating element if the plug is green 2 wires one brown and one black wire. But that's as far as I got. Okay, got to both heating element plugs on the passenger side I took a ohm reading and got 29.3 on the white plug brown and black wires on the drivers side I got 11.3. So hoping this is correct way to check the heating elements.
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Saturday, December 12th, 2020 AT 1:43 PM
Tiny
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I think I found the element wire colors to take a OHM reading on the white plug in pic. I believe the back seat element would be on the yellow C and black D and the bottom cushion element would be brown A and black B on my wiring diagram. Is this correct? What would be correct OHM reading on the elements or just open or closed loop? Please let me know. Thanks
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Sunday, December 13th, 2020 AT 12:56 PM
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Hi,

The manual isn't providing me with the resistance specs. It is simply providing diagnostics for two specific diagnostic trouble codes. B2425 and B3941. The 3941 is actually listed under a technical service bulleting for an inoperative seat heater. But, it is not all the time.

Is it possible for you to scan the vehicle's modules to see if there are codes specific to this issue?

Here is a video showing how it's done:

https://youtu.be/InIlnsjOVFA

Without knowing the specs as far as resistance, this is the only way I would know how to diagnose it. I'm not sure why it isn't provided.

Let me know.
Joe
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Sunday, December 13th, 2020 AT 10:31 PM
Tiny
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Okay. Thank you Joe. Looks like I have the correct heating element wires to test seat heaters correct? I don't have that kind of scan tool just the Autel that does air bag and ABS codes. Do you believe I am in the right direction as for testing the heating elements? I think if I have a open or closed loop reading that would mean short or break in heating element itself. I also do hear the clicking when button is pressed on the module under drivers seat. One more question. If I unplug the adjustable pedal sensor will the heated seats work by chance? What plug should I try to unplug to see if that may be a issue? And pic of the plug would be great. Thank you for helping me out on this. Eric
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Monday, December 14th, 2020 AT 7:45 AM
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Hi,

Unplugging the seat adjuster is likely to cause the heater not to work. To disconnect it would require disconnecting the seat module. I will tell you that I feel you are going in the right direction. However, if both seats failed at the same time, then it's unlikely to be an element. I say that simply because for both to fail at the same time would be odd. Here are the components related to the circuit:

HEATED SEAT COMPONENTS
The heated seat system consists of the following components:
- Driver and passenger heated seat switches
- Driver and passenger seat back heater elements
- Driver and passenger seat cushion heater elements
- Driver and passenger seat back temperature sensors
- Driver seat module
- Driver door module
- Passenger door module

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If you find it is the element which is bad, here are the directions for replacement. The attached pics correlate with the directions.

2003 GMC Truck K 1500 Yukon XL 4WD V8-6.0L VIN U
Seat Back Heater Element Replacement - Front
Vehicle Body and Frame Seats Seat Temperature Element Service and Repair Removal and Replacement Seat Back Heater Element Replacement - Front
SEAT BACK HEATER ELEMENT REPLACEMENT - FRONT
SEAT BACK HEATER ELEMENT REPLACEMENT - FRONT

REMOVAL PROCEDURE
1. Remove the seat from the vehicle.
2. Remove the seat back trim cover.

Pic 1

3. Peel the seat back heater off the foam pad.
4. Disconnect the seat back heater harness.

INSTALLATION PROCEDURE

pic 2

1. Connect the seat back heater harness.
2. Install the seat back heater.
3. Install the seat back trim cover.
4. Install the seat in the vehicle.

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2003 GMC Truck K 1500 Yukon XL 4WD V8-6.0L VIN U
Seat Cushion Heater Element Replacement - Front
Vehicle Body and Frame Seats Seat Temperature Element Service and Repair Removal and Replacement Seat Cushion Heater Element Replacement - Front
SEAT CUSHION HEATER ELEMENT REPLACEMENT - FRONT
SEAT CUSHION HEATER ELEMENT REPLACEMENT - FRONT

REMOVAL PROCEDURE
1. Remove the seat trim panel.

CAUTION: If the passenger seat cushion foam is damaged when you remove the heater element, replace the passenger pressence system in order to prevent personal injury.

2. Remove the seat cushion trim cover.

Pic 3

3. Peel the seat cushion heater off of the pad.
4. Disconnect the seat cushion heater wiring harness.

INSTALLATION PROCEDURE
1. Replace the inflatable restraint passenger presence system if the passenger seat cushion foam is damaged.

Pic 4

3. Install the seat cushion heater.
4. Install the seat cushion trim cover.
5. Install the seat trim panel.
6. Re-zero the inflatable restraint passenger presence system for the front passenger seat.

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Let me know if I can help.

Joe
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Monday, December 14th, 2020 AT 3:31 PM
Tiny
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Okay Joe. Thanks again for the direction now I know the seat elements are not the issue as I bought new front and back elements and tried plugging in one side at a time and same issue. I was hoping that was the issue but no go on that idea so looks like I am back at checking whatever you let me know I also tried unplugging one side and seeing if the other side worked and lights on button shuts off right away. I did check for a open or closed loop reading on new element and elements in the seat and both check out 007 on the beep sound setting on my multi meter so it does have current going thru the elements. So what can I try now I am lost?I also tried unplugging the pedal adjustment sensor and that didn't do anything either. Does it look like I am down to 3 things as you mentioned drivers or passenger door modules and drivers seat module? One more thing if I move the seat back and fourth the heated seats stay on but soon as I stop moving the seat it shuts right off not sure if that means anything or not kind of weird.
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Wednesday, December 16th, 2020 AT 2:33 PM
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Hi,

The idea that it is turning on and then turning itself off indicates to me that one of the electrical components can't handle the load. You did check the circuit breaker, correct? Also, you may need to check at the switch itself to see if you lose power to the switch or if power is lost after the switch. Over the years, I have seen switches that just can no longer handle a load.

Let me know.

Joe
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Wednesday, December 16th, 2020 AT 2:44 PM
Tiny
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Thanks for fast reply. I checked the 30amp breaker with my hand on it to see if it got hot and with a multi meter I can replace it that would be no problem as for the switch do you mean seat switch or switch on the door I took door one off my other Yukon and tried it did the same so you mean the seat switch?What color wires would be power wires to see if it shuts power off at either switch?
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Wednesday, December 16th, 2020 AT 2:51 PM
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Hey Joe thank you very much for your help! I went to local auto parts store and got a different heating element Dorman brand element 641-106 back element and plugged it in and it worked wow so relieved. So what I learned is a lot about how these work thanks to you Joe. So as for the other brand off Amazon APDTY 752216 Bottom Lower Seat Heater Pad and APDTY 752217 back seat heater pad didn't work very well as yesterday I plugged the APDTY ones in and problem was still there. So that tells me the ones I bought off Amazon APDTY brand didn't not work well at all in my situation. The Dorman brand fixed my issue must be better quality. Thanks again Joe for all your help. I love this site as it has helped me in a few hard to find issues I really appreciate it. Eric
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Thursday, December 17th, 2020 AT 11:30 AM
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Hi,

You are very welcome, Eric. I'm glad you got it working. To be honest, like you, I've always had good luck with Dorman parts, and the ones online, well. Let's just say not too much. LOL

You take care and feel free to come back anytime in the future if you have questions. You're always welcome.

Have a good Christmas,

Joe
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Thursday, December 17th, 2020 AT 8:30 PM
Tiny
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Thank you Joe. Wanted to let you know as I got both drivers elements working go figure the passenger side needs elements. Also drivers work fine both elements replaced, but when passenger side is pressed the drivers shuts off so never thought all 4 would go out. But, yep it played apart in this also. So I know what to do now and thanks again for the help Merry Christmas to you and your family also. Eric
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Monday, December 21st, 2020 AT 8:37 AM

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