Car runs rough at first startup?

Tiny
JOENUNYA
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When its 45 degrees and below, at first start up of the day, car runs really rough and always comes up as cylinder 1 misfire. After the car warms up, it runs well the remainder of the day.
Saturday, November 7th, 2009 AT 8:58 AM

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Tiny
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Have a look at the plug, plug wire and injector on that #1 cylinder, when was your last tune up? Get a noid light and unplg the injector, plug the noid light in and see if it flashes as the car is running. if it does, plug injector back in, start car, listen or feel the injector for clicking. If you asr handy enough, you can swap that injector into a different cylinder and see if the misfire moves with it, also a compression test wouldnt hurt. engine needs three things to run, Spark at all plugs, gas to all cylinders, and compression in all cylinders, tho an engine may run lacking one in one cylinder, it won't run very well!

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-check-fuel-system-pressure-and-regulator

Go here and checkout our video.

https://youtu.be/1zQQy9noYQ0

and this one! Also check the injectors with an ohm meter, should be 11-18 ohms, if not, replace it. Please run down these guides and report back.
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Saturday, November 7th, 2009 AT 9:11 AM
Tiny
NEIL2112
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Recently, we noticed that the "o/d off" light flashes from time to time, and the car idles a little high to reving at a stop light, and when driving, it seems to buck off and on. We were told that it doesn't appear to be a tranny problem, but the computer reset, possibly from a dead battery, so that is no help either. Thje car rides fine and then, it runs rough, like stated above. If we shut the car down, and then restart it, the problem is gone, sometimes for the day, others for a few minutes. What should we be looking at if not the tranny?
Thanks.
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Thursday, October 22nd, 2020 AT 1:20 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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OD light flashing is a sign that something is amiss within the trans, may be an electrical or a monitored mechanical piece,, take it to a local-owned reliable trans shop for diagnosis, some perform a diagnosis for free or small fee, they can scan for codes and run some pressure tests.

This guide can help get the codes

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/engine-misfires-or-runs-rough

Please run down this guide and report back.
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Thursday, October 22nd, 2020 AT 1:20 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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I just did a head re-work because the head gasket in #2 cylinder was leaking into the water jacket. Now the eng runs rough. It ran better before the head re-work.
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Thursday, October 22nd, 2020 AT 1:21 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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Which engine do you have? If you have the OHV engine, it is possible that lifters have pumped up while the heads were off, and could be partially to blame. Also check firing order! Switching a couple of wires during the disassembly and re-assembly is an easily overlooked problem.
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Thursday, October 22nd, 2020 AT 1:21 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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Engine start, run rough, then stall
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Thursday, October 22nd, 2020 AT 1:21 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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Need more info. Engine size. Sounds like it may have a vacumn leak, Standing on the pass side of the engine, look down on the upper pleneum, there is a l shaped vac. Nipple that is bad about rotting away and leaking. If it is bad you can check it by temporarily pluging the port off. If it runs now and idles you have your problem, go to the parts house and tell them, or show them what is left of yours, they should have it for around 3 bucks. Thanks for using 2CarPros
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Thursday, October 22nd, 2020 AT 1:21 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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9 months ago; after 500+ highway miles, car begins to miss and hesitate and slow down; only jerky throttle response; service engine soon light on; idles OK; pulled over and shut off 10 min; on restart, ran fine for to destination; replaced fuel filter, put in fuel system cleaner, sprayed Mass Airflow Sensor with recommended cleaner. Car ran fine on return 700+ mile trip and thousands of miles around down. Flash forward to this week. Essentially the same thing happened after 400 plus high speed miles, but service engine soon light was flashing, and car would barely run. Shut off for a few minutes, and it ran another 200 miles OK; set 305/306/171/174 codes; next day after 100 miles, same thing. Then, around town, running ragged. Replaced fuel filter again. Ford dlr said fuel volume and pressure within specs and cam sensor OK; wanted to replace cats for $2500+ as his diagnostics said they weren't reacting correctly; said maybe mass air flow sensor too. Independent tech found small vacuum leak. Car is running perfectly at the moment, but I'm afraid of being stranded. Because of erratic nature, can't believe it's cats. This must be something simple. TPS? Mass Air Flow Sensor? Coil packs?
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Thursday, October 22nd, 2020 AT 1:22 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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I would go with the MAF, and if the cat was NG it should set a p0420-421 codes? If you found a vacuum leak, it explains the P0174 and p0171, these are system lean codes, thus the rough engine(fuel starved) Maf controls Injector pulse width(how long they stay open).
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Thursday, October 22nd, 2020 AT 1:22 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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Car runs fine first thing in the morning. If I drive and then park for about 20 min to an hour, and then start the car again (by now it is at operating temp), the engine runs rough and sounds like it may stall. After 4 or 5 min. Engine seems to run fine again.

Had basic tune up (plugs, rotor and cap, new wires, new air filter) but still does this.

Any ideas why or how I can fix this? Do I need a new ignition module? I hear these could be a problem when they get warm sitting near a hot area of the engine?
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Thursday, October 22nd, 2020 AT 1:22 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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Your problem could be vaporlock or partial vaporlock. Even though this is a pressurized fuel system, the injectors can get hot enough to boil the fuel in them when you park the car. In the industry, we call this "hot soak". The latent heat in the engine transfers to the injectors, raising their temperature suffuciently to boil the fuel in them. This does not normally occur under normal conditions, but has been known to happen in some cases.

The ignition module is also a suspect, but not to such a degree. If you have the 3.8 engine, the ignition module is mounted on the bulkhead, and is not as subject to extremes in temperature. If you have the 3.0, it isa mounted on the distributor, and is more prone to heat problems.
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Thursday, October 22nd, 2020 AT 1:22 PM (Merged)
Tiny
MARKLAURIE
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1995 Ford Taurus SHO 3.2L Automatic.

So I acquired this car recently from a relative and found it often either runs rough or wants to stall out all the time. Apparently my relative had this problem with the car as well. I'm pretty frustrated and tired of throwing money at it at this point, and would REALLY appreciate some advice!

What I've done so far:
1) New fuel filter.
2) Tested fuel pressure, it's OK.
3) New air filter.
4) New Throttle position sensor (because it was such a cheap and easy thing to try)
5) New EGR Pressure Switch (because it threw an engine trouble code, code gone after replacement).
6) Checked EGR system, seems to be working correctly.
7) New O2 sensors (because it threw an engine trouble code, code gone after replacement).
8) New Ignition Control Module (because engine was throwing codes 215, 216, and 217).
9) Checked all ignition system connectors for corrosion, none was noted.

Now after all that, the engine continues to throw codes 215, 216, and 217. The plugs, wires, and coilpack were replaced not long ago by my relative in an attempt to solve this same problem. I could try throwing a new coilpack at it, but I have a suspicion that's not the problem. Today I noticed that the engine is PARTICULARLY prone to the running rough and attempting to stall when the transmission is in Drive, 1, or 2. This doesn't seem to happen when it's in Park, Reverse, or Neutral.

Some other things to note:
1) The engine usually seems to run fine when it's idling in park in my driveway. However it does sometimes start to run rough and I have to keep the RPMs around 2000RPM for several minutes to keep it from stalling.
2) The car has sat for around a year without being used. I suspect the gas is stale, and I'm trying to run it out of the tank since I can't seem to be able to siphon it out. But since the car usually runs fine at idle, I'm not sure if this is even an issue.
3) ABS light is on, but I'm not concerned about the ABS system.

So my questions are:
1) What, if anything, should I try to do about the codes for the ignition: 215, 216, 217? Should I try a new coilpack? The only other ignition components left are the Crankshaft Position Sensor and Camshaft Position Sensor. I find it strange the car will usually run fine but is throwing these codes.
2) What could cause the car to be more prone to stalling/running rough when the transmission is in Drive?
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Thursday, October 22nd, 2020 AT 1:22 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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Some updates:

I ran the old gas out of the tank, and put 5 gallons of fresh gas in. This didn't seem to make any difference.

I got the Haynes repair book for the '86-'95 taurus, but the book doesn't cover the ignition system used in the SHO. I found the Ford Windstar from the same era uses a very similar ignition system.

I tested my coilpack based on the specs in the Windstar manual. The secondary resistance of my unit seemed out of spec, so I got a new coilpack from Autozone and the new one matched the spec. I replaced the coilpack and the engine still ran like complete crap for several minutes, but then moderately improved after it warmed up. I used the dielectric grease on the terminals.

At the time the engine was running fair, it still seemed to miss every so often. No failure codes are returned now, so I guess that's at least progress! Where do I go from here?
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Thursday, October 22nd, 2020 AT 1:22 PM (Merged)
Tiny
SFPN15
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I have a 94 Ford Taurus 3.0 with 142,000 miles that has been running real rough lately. The problem is it's not doing it consistantly and I am not getting a check engine light to get the codes pulled. I have taken the egr valve off and cleaned that, but that didn't work. Also what is strange if I start the car and it is running rough all I have to do is turn the car
off and start it back up. After doing this it will run fine. Do you have any suggestions for me.

Thanks!
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Thursday, October 22nd, 2020 AT 1:23 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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You don't need a check engine light in order to get a code, there are some that will not set the light, this is obdI, not obdII which is way more comprehensive. Get the car nice and warmed up, take it to a local auto parts store that will read it for you, there could be continous and engine running codes that may show up, the problem could be that you have a monitored part that may be failing, however it is still barely within parameters for the light not to come on, then again, some issues will not turn the light on, however they will still show on a read. If you're going to keep this car, I, as always, recommend you spend the 30 bucks to get yourself a reader, simple to use, newer cars 95 and up use a more expensive type, however they can be had for like 70 bucks for a simple one.
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Thursday, October 22nd, 2020 AT 1:23 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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My car does not want to run when the gas is applied. It started to just cut off coming to a stop or when I slow down. Now it when I mash the gas lightly it sputters like it is eather too rich or lean. I have not noteced no black smoke that I can tell, but I am working by myself so its hard to mash the gass and look at the same time. I think it is a sensor but I am not shure which one it is? Let me know what you think.
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Thursday, October 22nd, 2020 AT 1:23 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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Hi:
You can have the computer scanned for codes at most nationally recognized parts stores for free. That will identify sensor problems. Also, I would check for vacuum leaks and check the fuel pump pressure. The pump may be on its way out.

Joe
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Thursday, October 22nd, 2020 AT 1:23 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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I have a 1999 Ford Taurus SHO with 3.4L V8 engine. Yesterday the car started for about 2 minutes then died. I took it to shop and they stated it is running on 3 cylinders and the Fuel Pump was good. They suggested taking it to the ford dealer. I drove it home today. It will start but idle is up and down. Idle is from 1,100 rpm then down to 200 rpm starts to die then picks up again at idle. When putting in drive wants to die. Well whats up with this? I do know that engine pulls a 1518 code and I have never fixed that. Idle has always been rough because of 1518 but would not start. Now starts and has eractic idle. Ideas? Thanks.
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Thursday, October 22nd, 2020 AT 1:23 PM (Merged)
Tiny
MERLIN2021
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P1518 Intake Manifold Runner Control fault - Stuck Open
Way too much of an air leak fix this first or you will NEVER run normal!
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Thursday, October 22nd, 2020 AT 1:23 PM (Merged)
Tiny
TRAVOR24
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Just yesterday I replaced the spark plugs and wires and intake gasket on a 99 Ford taurus. 3.0 DOHC. When I started it back up it started to jump and back fire. I rechecked the sparks plugs and wires and the valcumn hoses and they were fine. I can not find the answer to this problem. It was not doing this before I did the tune up. Can I get some help. Thanks
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Thursday, October 22nd, 2020 AT 1:24 PM (Merged)

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