Engine will not stay running?

Tiny
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  • 2005 DODGE MAGNUM
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  • V8
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Have the vehicle listed above R/T. It sat for about 3 years in Las Vegas heat. But it started up and was running like it was nothing. Been driving it last 7 months no problems than just other day it started up was idling and than it just shuts off. Went to start it again and it would just crank but not turn over fully. But if I hold the gas pedal down it will fire up and soon as I let go of the gas it shuts off completely again. But if I just turn the key, it won't fire over only if hold down gas it fires up and have to keep pressing gas so it keeps running and won't idle at all like said it shuts off immediately after starting up. Replaced spark plugs replaced fuel pump just to reassure self-it's getting fuel. Checked EGR it's working as should did a short video showing what I'm facing and at a standstill of what is my issue I'm having.
Wednesday, July 31st, 2024 AT 9:16 AM

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Tiny
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Before we get all "wrapped around the axle", go out and drive it, with two feet if necessary. Once the engine is warmed up, drive at highway speed, then coast for at least seven seconds without touching the pedals. Chances are that will solve the low idle speed problem. I'll explain what that does. If the problem persists, try that again while holding the brake pedal up with your foot. If there's still a problem, we'll figure out where to go next.
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Wednesday, July 31st, 2024 AT 12:41 PM
Tiny
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I am not able to get it to drive at all. I can get it started but only if I hold down the gas pedal. Otherwise, it won't turn over and fire up. And soon as I take foot of gas car shuts off immediately. And if I give it gas to keep it running and press brake to shift into gear soon as I shift it engine shuts off immediately, it gave a code saying engine is running to rich. Erased codes to see if it would trick computer but it still does same thing for me. I hold down gas pedal to floor car fires up and soon as I take foot of pedal engine shuts off won't idle like it should. To keep car on I have to press gas n rev engine. If I turn key and hold gas pedal down engine fires over and I let go of gas pedal car turns off instantly.
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Thursday, August 1st, 2024 AT 10:47 PM
Tiny
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Unfortunately, I am not able to drive the car even with 2 feet at all. I can get car to start up but only if I hold gas pedal to floor and it will only stay running if I keep pressing gas. But the second I don't press the pedal the engine turns off immediately. It will fire back up if I hold pedal to floor but say I fire it up and let go of accelerator it shuts off completely. If I try starting it without holding gas pedal down it just cranks but doesn't fire over. The second I press gas pedal down engine fires up. So if I take foot off gas pedal like we are supposed to after engine starts the car just shuts down. And it does it instantly when I press brake pedal to shift gears car shuts off completely. To keep engine on I have to press the gas before it goes off.
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Friday, August 2nd, 2024 AT 9:18 AM
Tiny
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Rats. Low idle speed after a battery is replaced, or the car has been sitting a long time is extremely common on the older models, but I see yours has "throttle-by-wire" which isn't affected by this. On the older models, the Engine Computer has to see a very specific set of conditions to know when your foot is off the accelerator pedal, then it takes the voltage reading from the throttle position sensor and puts that in memory. From then on, anytime it sees that same voltage, it knows it has to be in control of idle speed. Those conditions are very easily met by coasting from highway speed.

What you're describing is different. The first thing is I need to know the exact diagnostic fault code number(s). That will give us a starting point. Until we know that, the symptoms suggest a problem with the MAP sensor. That one has the biggest say in fuel metering calculations. Faut codes never say to replace a part or that one is defective, so if the code only refers to running too rich or lean, you're going to need a scanner to view live engine data. In particular, I'm interested in the MAP sensor voltage with the ignition switch in "run" but the engine isn't running, then again when the engine is running. Typically it should be roughly 4.0 - 4.2 volts, (engine off), then drop to around 2.0 volts with it running.

In the late '80s to early '90s, the original MAP sensor design caused a lot of failures with exactly the same symptoms you're describing. Many vehicles came in on tow trucks, and I surprised a lot of owners after I figured out a trick that allowed me to drive their cars into the shop. The trick was the accelerator pedal had to be moving. Didn't matter which way or how fast. As soon as it was held steady, the engine would stall. Remember, this was on older models with the normal throttle cable, but you might try it anyway to see if the engine will stay running.

Another thing to try is unplugging the MAP sensor. The Engine Computer will see that and most likely set another fault code, but when the computer sees that, it will "inject" an approximate value to run on based on the readings from other sensors and other engine operating conditions. That is a strategy built in to allow the computer to run the engine well enough to get you to a shop, but it usually won't run perfectly.

When the engine does run, observe if it's smooth or if there's a noticeable misfire. If there's a spark-related misfire, that will send unburned fuel and air into the exhaust system. The front oxygen sensors will detect the unburned oxygen and report it as a "lean" condition, but you'll smell the unburned fuel at the tail pipe as a rich condition. The computer will keep adding fuel in an attempt to overcome the lean condition, but no matter how much fuel it adds, the oxygen sensors will keep seeing a lean condition. They only measure unburned oxygen, not fuel.

Let me know how far this gets you, and that fault code number when you have it.
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Friday, August 2nd, 2024 AT 9:06 PM
Tiny
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Ok will get you the fault code it's giving me and see what happens. An also car was running and driving fine before this happened as matter a fact day issue began I drove to work and at lunch went to go to get food and when started car it turned on for about 5 seconds than shut off went to start it again and it would on crank but wouldn't fire over that's when whole issue began for me. I have the scanner tool to run and do live data readings on car.
I have used you guys for other vehicles I had issues I wasn't able to figure out after doing everything I know of and thought it could be possibly. An with the help from your other mechanic (Ken) I was able to resole problem and vehicles have been running great since. One issue was on ford explorer had full power but no crank at all which turned out to be ignition switch. The prong that was suppose to get signal from key to relay than to starter to make engine turn over was bad. Wire from relay to starter was fine, but wire from ignition switch prong to relay wasn't communicating. After replacing ignition switch truck fired over perfectly and no issues ever since. Other vehicle was a 99 GMC suburban that has no parking lights or brake lights after a month of checking every possible thing was knowledgeable about with truck finally figured it out and it was a faulty break pedal switch. Replaced it and lights worked great since than. Than I picked up this vehicle for almost nothing was not having no issues till now. Very confident and hopeful with your guys knowledge and assistance with it we can resolve this issue and be 3-0 turning to you and your team.
Get the fault code for you soon as can. Have to go in my photo gallery to get you them I screen shot the codes it gave when ran scan on it.
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Friday, August 2nd, 2024 AT 10:36 PM
Tiny
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Dandy. I'm here every evening to check for replies. Don't be surprised if one or two of our other experts chime in to speed up your diagnosis.
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Saturday, August 3rd, 2024 AT 9:23 PM
Tiny
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Have you figured this out yet? We're here if we need to look into this further.
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Friday, August 16th, 2024 AT 8:02 PM

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