Engine will not crank

Tiny
MARK GERBER
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  • 2007 TOYOTA CAMRY
  • 3.5L
  • 6 CYL
  • 2WD
  • AUTOMATIC
  • 120,000 MILES
As someone who knows better but spent many years strapped for cash, I ignored oil changes in my car for probably close to 90,000 miles. The car began producing what appeared to be smoke from the tailpipes, however, unlike the bluish smoke you would see with oil burning, it was white smoke and was only noticeable at idle or when stomping on the accelerator. The oil level was okay, however upon removing and checking under the filler cap, the engine had nothing but sludge, the consistency of grease.

I found a sludge removal product called Auto-RX Plus, online and followed the instructions for extreme sludge removal. It involved adding two 12 oz. Bottles of the product along with an oil and filter change. The car was to be driven for 3,000 to 4,000 miles before draining the crankcase, adding new oil, and changing the filter. The treatment was finished upon driving another 3,000 to 4,000 miles. For heavy sludge, it was recommended to follow this treatment twice.

I added the product while changing the oil and filter and almost immediately it stopped smoking completely. I drove it for 4,000 miles, recommended synthetic oil, and did the oil change and filter. The car ran fine, the sludge appeared to have cleaned out for the most part and it didn't smoke anymore. I was going to do another treatment at the end of 4,000 miles. However, after about 3,000 miles I was on the Interstate headed for a family get-together when suddenly the oil light came on. My destination was about another 5 or 6 miles so I decided to continue on. Upon getting ready to leave our destination, I checked the oil, and it was empty. I couldn't understand that because it was not smoking, and I had no leaks. Fortunately, I had five quarts of oil in the trunk, and I added it all to the crankcase.

Upon starting the car, the oil light never went out, but it seemed to run fine. I continued to drive it that way for probably another month when I noticed that the engine was missing now and then. It was still running when my daughter borrowed the car to go on an errand and come home. The next morning, she had to use the car again, however when she went to start it, the engine would not turn over. She indicated that it had been working fine when she used it the night before. I thought about the engine being locked up, however, I couldn't understand how an engine would lock up when all it was doing was resting there and not running.

So, on a chance, I decided to replace the starter. Well, a new starter would not turn the engine either. To be sure that it was locked up, I attempted to manually turn the engine and I was successful at doing so. I then tried to start the engine and it did turn over and start, but it was missing so badly that it would barely run for more than a few seconds before shutting off. I repeatedly started it quite a few times but eventually, it would not turn over again. Due to a lack of funds, I have not had the opportunity to get it checked and I fear the worst. It has now been sitting in the driveway for the past 2.5 years and I have made no attempt to start it again. I have since decided that the oil pump failed that day on the Interstate and nearly a month of driving it that way most probably destroyed the engine even if it wasn't completely locked up. Or, maybe it could be something else.

In your professional opinion, does it sound like I most probably need a new engine? I apologize for the length of this problem description, but it does say "Be as thorough as possible." :D

On the next page, it asks for "Level of experience". There is no answer that would apply to me. I would have been categorized as "I am not a mechanic but know a lot about auto repair" if you were talking about vehicles before fuel injectors but know very little about engine work nowadays. However, I can do relatively minor repairs and maintenance such as changing pads and rotors, ignition coils and spark plugs, starters, alternators, radiators, and all that kind of stuff.

Thanks,
Mark Gerber
Friday, December 17th, 2021 AT 11:05 PM

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Tiny
JACOBANDNICKOLAS
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Mark,

I think you made it longer than anyone ever has without changing the oil. LOL I do need to know something. When the engine was running and the oil light stayed on, was there any knocking or ticking from the engine? Also, did you ever determine where the oil went when you had an issue with it being empty?

The white smoke you mentioned is usually related to a head gasket issue. Coolant will burn white as described. Also, the sludge you saw on the oil cap, was it light brown or tan?

Take a look through this link. It describes what to look for when a head gasket is questioned.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/head-gasket-blown-test

Based on everything you described, it does sound like the engine has failed. However, there is a chance it hasn't. By chance, have you replaced the battery to see what it does now? Also, when you turned it by hand, were you able to turn the crankshaft pulley 360 degrees or just back and forth? I'm asking because if coolant got into the cylinders due to a head gasket, it will prevent you from turning it a full 360.

One last thing. Check the oil now to see if there is evidence of coolant in it or anything out of the ordinary.

Let me know.

Joe

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Friday, December 17th, 2021 AT 11:34 PM
Tiny
MARK GERBER
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It is possible that I set a record in that respect. After the oil light came on permanently and for most of a month, it ran fine and there was no smoke at all. As for knocking or ticking, I had no knocks, however, there was some louder ticking than usual, after a couple of weeks or so with the oil light on. The oil light did occasionally go off for a few seconds at a time, but not very often. As a matter of fact, I suspected that the appearance of the oil light was a faulty sensor because I had assumed that if the pump was not pumping oil, I would have noticed other symptoms almost immediately, but that was not the case. It took at least a couple of weeks before the louder ticking began and that was only noticeable while idling. No, I have never understood where the oil went because there was no longer any smoking and I had no leaks at all, but it took 3,000 miles to disappear.

The white smoke disappeared almost instantly upon starting it after adding the additive and driving 4,000 miles. There was no sign of engine trouble all during that time. When I changed the oil at 4,000 miles, after the treatment, almost all of the sludge had cleared. As I had indicated, I had planned to do a second treatment with the additive. A one-time treatment is followed by driving the vehicle for 4,000 miles after having changed the oil, filter, and adding the treatment. That is then followed by another oil change and filter, then changing the oil regularly while adding a small maintenance amount of the additive occasionally.

In hindsight, since I had intended to do two treatments, I probably should have added the second treatment while changing the oil and filter after the first treatment, rather than driving it for another 4,000 miles and then adding the second treatment. It was during this second 4,000 miles that the oil light came on. The smoking actually never came back during the 7,000 miles I was driving it before the oil light came on. No, the sludge was not indicative of oil and coolant mixing as to appear to be like mud. The sludge was black.

The battery was relatively new and when it ran down from the repeated attempts to crank the engine I connected a jump starter unit to the battery and let it first recharge all the way to 13+ volts.

I do not recall if I manually turned the engine 360 degrees. I suspect that I turned it back and forth a few times as I was only testing to see if the engine was locked up. I never expected that it was going to start with the starter afterward. However, it did start after turning it at which time I am sure that it rotated 360 degrees many times before each time that it stalled and I could no longer crank it again. It was at that point that I stopped fooling with it. I never rotated the engine again and it has been sitting idle ever since.

I will take a look at the oil level and for signs of coolant/oil mixing. It might be prudent to mention that I have had no coolant loss during all this time. I'll get back to you, Joe, on the results of my oil inspection.

Thanks,
Mark Gerber
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Sunday, December 19th, 2021 AT 4:54 AM
Tiny
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Mark, if you can get a battery in it and let me hear it cranking, that will help. Also, a loud ticking was likely from the valves. However, a knocking from the bearings would have been expected as well.

Take a look through this link and let me know if anything seems to mirror what you heard.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/engine-noises

Take care,

Joe
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