Engine and ECU wiring diagram

Tiny
LUCAS BOYAN
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  • 2005 HONDA CIVIC
  • 1.7L
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  • MANUAL
  • 192,000 MILES
Hey. I'm putting an engine in the car listed above LX model. Originally this car came with the 1.7 d17a1 Non vtec engine with a manual transmission and manual ECU. My old wiring harness is intact but the new engine came setup for an automatic transmission. The new harness has the Neutral safety switch and speed sensor, as well as a multiple pin connector for the auto transmission. Instead of using the old harness I rather use the mint harness. I'm afraid the ECU connector may not have the same pinout as original. Can I use the new harness and not plug in the auto transmission connector (other two trans connectors are the same)? In theory they would just use the unused pins for the auto trans and keep the manual connectors at the same pins right considering both have the other connectors. Unable to find appropriate wiring diagram.
Friday, April 24th, 2020 AT 7:02 PM

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Tiny
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Good morning,

I attached the wiring or connector diagrams for you for the ECM.

One thing I would recommend is to have your ECM programmed to a standard transmission instead of an automatic.

Do you have the engine running at this time? I would like to know if it runs at this point and see if there are any codes set for the harness not connected to the automatic transmission.

Roy
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Saturday, April 25th, 2020 AT 4:33 AM
Tiny
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My current ECM is a manual ECM. I just need to know it the pinout for the transmission connector is the same.
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Saturday, April 25th, 2020 AT 8:29 AM
Tiny
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The transmission connector for the automatic is different than the manual. The automatic has shift solenoids and the manual has none at all.

There will be wires not connected when you install the replacement.

I attached the wiring for the automatic harness below. You will see there will be many connectors not connected from this conversion.

There will be no neutral switch as there should be a clutch switch for starting. There will be a separate back up light switch as well. The only other electric to the transmission will be the vehicle speed sensor for the speedometer.

Roy
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Saturday, April 25th, 2020 AT 8:43 AM
Tiny
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I can't seem to find any wiring diagram for connector “c” of a manual transmission. The engine i'm putting in came from an automatic vehicle and has the automatic harness attached to it. Every connector is the same except the new harness has an automatic transmission module connector. My old harness which came with the manual setup only has the output and neutral safety switch.
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Saturday, April 25th, 2020 AT 8:43 AM
Tiny
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Correct, that is all it will have.

Are you going to use the manual or automatic transmission with the swap? I am confused what transmission you will be using.

Roy
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Saturday, April 25th, 2020 AT 8:52 AM
Tiny
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The manual one. What happened was my timing belt broke and threw a rod through the engine block. I'm reusing all manual equipment. I just couldn’t get a manual version d17a1 from a yard. So i'm fitting a new flywheel on the new engine.
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Saturday, April 25th, 2020 AT 9:53 AM
Tiny
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The wiring harness for the original manual car is a bit sketchy because it has been through the ringer and has 192,000 miles on it. So preferably I would like to use the new harness.
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Saturday, April 25th, 2020 AT 9:54 AM
Tiny
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And that would be the automatic harness?

If it is, you will have some challenges to work through.

Roy
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Saturday, April 25th, 2020 AT 10:00 AM
Tiny
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Alright I will probably wind up using the old harness. I figured they wouldn’t waste money changing the pin outs on both connectors.
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Saturday, April 25th, 2020 AT 10:34 AM
Tiny
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Okay, that makes better sense and you will have no issues.

Roy
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Saturday, April 25th, 2020 AT 10:43 AM
Tiny
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Hey there. First off, I'd like to again thank you for your quick and informative response to my inquiry/request on Monday I believe regarding my 03 civic and the DTC debacle I've been unable to find a resolution to. My follow up question was with the wiring diagram you posted and how I would go about making that legible. I've spent a good 3 or 4 total hours now editing that image the last couple of days through multiple different applications via my phone, my laptop and even my restaurant's personal desktop, all to no avail. I believe you were giving instructions as to how to retrieve a personal copy of each of the pictures you posted with the "imgopen newtab zoom/print" and such, but I must have misunderstood because I got to the picture through both the 'open img in new tab'option as well as the 'open link in new tab' option and zoomed and made all kinds of font and color and sizes changes with no luck. Is there any chance I can get a bigger copy or a more detailed set of instructions on how to print or even just view the image with all notations and words being clearly visible? Sorry for the hassle I kidt feel like this is the 'final boss' so to speak, of my current car problem. Thanks for your time!

EDIT: Sorry, this was meant as a private msg for the original responder to my question from a few days back. The image in question is as follows:
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Monday, January 4th, 2021 AT 1:59 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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Okay, thanks for the message.

Below, I split them in half and blew them up for you.

Roy
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Monday, January 4th, 2021 AT 2:00 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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So I have the car listed above EX model. I just recently have started having some issues with the old rusty rust bucket. Blown alternator fuse, ignition switch gone bad, p0135 etc, etc. I am still very new to DYI when it comes to cars, but I believe I have narrowed it down to a wiring issue between the connector and PCM/ECU/ECM after replacing the upstream HO2S only to find out it seems to be in perfect working order. I have begun disabling my passenger airbag and making my way into the depths of the housing for the aforementioned computer, but would like a little visual help if at all possible before tackling this (hopefully) remaining portion of this pesky code. Any and all help would be greatly appreciated, thanks!
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Monday, January 4th, 2021 AT 2:00 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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Good morning.

I attached a wire diagram as well as the procedure for removing the PCM.

Roy

How to Remove the ECM/PCM for Testing

1. Remove the passenger's dashboard lower cover, the right kick panel, and the glove box.

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2. Remove the bolt. Cut the plastic cross brace in the glove box opening with diagonal cutters in the area shown, and discard it.

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3. Remove the relays (A), then remove the bolts and the glove box frame (B).

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4. Remove the gray 20P ECM/PCM wire harness connector from the ECM/PCM mounting bracket. Remove the ECM/PCM mounting bolt (A) and the bracket.
5. Remove the nuts, then remove the ECM/PCM (B).
6. Install the ECM/PCM in the reverse order of removal.
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Monday, January 4th, 2021 AT 2:00 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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Like I said, much appreciated! Working on it now.
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Monday, January 4th, 2021 AT 2:00 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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You are welcome.

Glad to help.

Roy
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Monday, January 4th, 2021 AT 2:00 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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Is it possible to replace engine wire harness w/ engine in the car? Does Mitchell or All data explain how to do this if I subscribe to one of these services?
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Monday, January 4th, 2021 AT 2:00 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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I don't think there is a how to for that. However, it can be a pain, but it can be done. What I recommend is to start at one place and disconnect and connect one thing at a time until you finish.
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Monday, January 4th, 2021 AT 2:00 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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Guys, could anyone help me out?

I have a 2005 Honda Civic LX manual transmission. I’m not a car guru or anything but my positive battery cable is getting really corroded and I’m not too sure what to do. I already cut some off the end and connected it to the battery terminal.

Should I change out the entire wiring harness or is it possible to find out just how deep the corrosion is and cut from there and splice in a fresh, correctly-gauged wire?

It’s messing with my car and sometimes, my car won’t turn on. It happened to me today where it wouldn’t start so I opened the hood and moved the battery around a bit and agitated the contact between the cable and battery terminal and it started up. But it’s not loose; there’s clearly corrosion. The cables are just corroded and I’m not sure what to do.

I’ll take some pictures.
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Thursday, August 5th, 2021 AT 7:09 PM
Tiny
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Good morning,

I would start by replacing the battery cables and cleaning the posts on the battery to get rid of the corrosion.

I would also recommend replacing the harness if it has corrosion. That goes rapid through the harness and to repair it would be a long tedious repair.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/everything-goes-dead-when-engine-is-cranked

Roy
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Friday, August 6th, 2021 AT 3:41 AM

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