Engine cranks but does not start and limp mode?

Tiny
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The car began by going into limp mode after starting and couldn't rev up. We repaired injectors and only one injector appeared to have worked and the other three cylinders were not working. We replaced the injectors with aftermarket injectors and the same thing happened on the three cylinders

We then replaced, in tank pump, throttle body and EGR and the car started and could rev but upon testing, it went into limp mode again within 3 minutes.

Now, the car cannot start but it just cranks. Immobilizer status on the OBD Eleven scanner says disabled and Engine not permitted to start. We suspect this may not be the case since it started before. We checked the injector wiring harness after testing it with multimeter and all appears to be well with resistance.

Fuel primes successfully upon switching the ignition on showing delivery to the pipes

Please help to identity further issues with this car as we cannot start it, it only cranks.
Tuesday, October 10th, 2023 AT 8:45 AM

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Tiny
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It sounds like you have an accelerator pedal position sensor that has gone out. Can you tell me if there are any codes that are stored when the scanner is connected? Also, will the engine run on starting fluid? Here is how to replace the accelerator pedal position sensor in case a code comes up for it:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/car-not-running-advanced

and

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/checking-a-service-engine-soon-or-check-engine-light-on-or-flashing

This guide may help out as well. Check out the images (below). Please let us know how it goes.
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Wednesday, October 11th, 2023 AT 8:08 AM
Tiny
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Thank you for your prompt reply. I have not yet investigated the possibility of the accelerator pedal position sensor being an issue but will investigate, although it has not come up on the car faults (recent scan). Perhaps it's also worth attempting to use a starting fluid, which I have not tried - where do we spray this, by the way? I haven't used this method before. Lastly, I'll try to bleed any air bubbles from the fuel system this week, to isolate it.

Here are all the fault codes presented by the car. It does seem that no engine faults were picked up, including injectors. But I'm not so certain if new faults would emerge after the car had started.

OBDeleven vehicle history log

Date: 2023-10-01 02:48

VIN:
Car: Audi A3
Year: 2002.2008
Body type: Hatchback
Engine: BKD 103 kW (140 HP) 2.0 l
Mileage: 287210 KM

Fault
Control unit: 01 Engine
Active faults: 0
Inactive faults: 0
System description: R4 2, 0L EDC G000SG
Software number: 03G906016G
Software version: 9884
Hardware number: 0281011364
Serial number: XXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Faults:
No trouble codes found

Mileage: 287210 km
Date: 2023-09-30 20:07

Fault
Control unit: 03 Brakes
Active faults: 1
Inactive faults: 0
System description: ESP FRONT MK60
Software number: 1K0907379K
Software version: 0103
Faults:
00778 - Steering angle sensor Faulty
static

Mileage: 287210 km
Date: 2023-09-30 20:07

Fault
Control unit: 08 Air Conditioning
Active faults: 2
Inactive faults: 0
System description: KlimavollautomatH12
Software number: 8P0820043D
Software version: 0150
Hardware number: 8P0820043D
Hardware version: 000
Serial number: 8P0820043D
Faults:
01317 - Instrument cluster control module Please read DTC
static
01206 - Signal for duration of -Ignition OFF- Implausible signal
static

Mileage: 287210 km
Date: 2023-09-30 20:07

Fault
Control unit: 09 Central Electrics
Active faults: 2
Inactive faults: 0
System description: Bordnetz-SG 1.0 H29
Software number: 8P0907279A
Software version: 0501
Hardware number: 8P0907279A *
Hardware version: 063
Serial number: 00000000328030
Faults:
00906 - Signal horn/dual tone horn Open circuit/short circuit to ground
static
01504 - License plate lamp Electrical error in circuit
static

Mileage: 287210 km
Date: 2023-09-30 20:07

Fault
Control unit: 15 Airbag
Active faults: 2
Inactive faults: 0
System description: Airbag 8.4EDmin H01
Software number: 8P0959655G
Software version: 0130
Hardware number: 8P0959655G
Faults:
00655 - Belt tensioner igniter (frt. Pass. Side) Lower limit not reached
static
00588 - Driver side airbag igniter Upper limit exceeded
static

Mileage: 287210 km
Date: 2023-09-30 20:07

Fault
Control unit: 16 Steering Column
Active faults: 1
Inactive faults: 0
System description: Lenksà ulenmodul H11
Software number: 8P0953549
Software version: 0020
Hardware number: 8P0953549 *
Faults:
00888 - Windshield wiper intermittent mode switch Faulty
static

Mileage: 287210 km
Date: 2023-09-30 20:07

Fault
Control unit: 17 Dashboard
Active faults: 1
Inactive faults: 0
System description: KOMBIINSTR. VDO H25
Software number: 8P0920930F
Software version: 0110
Hardware number: 8P0920930F
Serial number: 224NCD07023497
Faults:
00779 - Outside temperature sensor Open circuit/short circuit to B+
static

Mileage: 287210 km
Date: 2023-09-30 20:07

Fault
Control unit: 19 Gateway
Active faults: 0
Inactive faults: 0
System description: Gateway H08
Software number: 1K0907530B
Software version: 0090
Hardware number: 1K0907951
Serial number: 2400103916649E
Faults:
No trouble codes found

Mileage: 287210 km
Date: 2023-09-30 20:07

Fault
Control unit: 25 Immobilizer
Active faults: 0
Inactive faults: 0
System description: KOMBIINSTR. VDO H25
Software number: 8P0920930F
Software version: 0110
Hardware number: 8P0920930F
Serial number: AUX7Z0CNFN50M7
Faults:
No trouble codes found

Mileage: 287210 km
Date: 2023-09-30 20:07

Fault
Control unit: 44 Steering Assistance
Active faults: 2
Inactive faults: 0
System description: EPS_ZFLS Kl.9
Software number: 1K2909144E
Software version: 1202
Faults:
00778 - Steering angle sensor Please read DTC
static
02441 - Yellow malfunction lamp in instrument cluster Please read DTC
static

Mileage: 287210 km
Date: 2023-09-30 20:07

Fault
Control unit: 46 Comfort System
Active faults: 6
Inactive faults: 0
System description: KSG H02
Software number: 8P0959433
Software version: 0040
Faults:
01135 - Interior monitoring sensors No signal/communication
static
00323 - Vehicle inclination sensor No signal/communication
static
01134 - Alarm horn No signal/communication
static
00926 - Terminal 30 Open circuit
static
00080 - Sliding roof function request Short circuit to ground
static
01403 - Rear glass breakage sensors Open circuit
static

Mileage: 287210 km
Date: 2023-09-30 20:07
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Friday, October 13th, 2023 AT 7:04 AM
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That's a lot of codes. I would clear them and do a hard system reboot. Then rerun the codes to see if any are stored, also you have communication errors so this may be points to a CCM (central control module) that is not working. Also, with the system on I would check all fuses.

This guide can help:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-check-a-car-fuse

I have seen the cluster short out and cause issues like this as well.
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Friday, October 13th, 2023 AT 8:57 AM
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Thanks Ken.

This really points me to a clear direction:

1. I will clear these codes and see what faults are stored and perhaps do two reruns to make sure

2. On your cluster shorting out, ill remove it and inspect it tomorrow. Perhaps look at the wiring as well

3. It's a weekend and so my Saturday morning would be to also check all the fuses and relays.

Thanks for the fuse, which I will follow straight away. I will give you feedback in due course.
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Friday, October 13th, 2023 AT 10:55 AM
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Hi Ken, quick feedback. I have inspected all the fuses; they seem fine after testing them with a multimeter. Although I have noted that there are some fuses missing - especially near the steering column. The horn relay is missing; the fuse amp 40 in the engine bay was incorrectly placed on F51 slot, instead of F52 which, according to the diagram, is the secondary air pump (SAI) so this was fixed and placed at F52. Removed the ECO and inspected the wiring for corrosion the back connectors are completely clean without signs of water damage or corrosion. I wouldn't be sure about the internals though, but the wiring to and on the pin connectors seem completely unravaged.

Removed and inspected the instrument cluster, all cables seem fine without any shorting, completely clean and no corrosion.

After removing the cover below the steering wheel, I noticed some cut wires that are leading to the fuse box and I'm not sure whether these came with the car like these, or they were meant to lead somewhere. (I have attached picture). Also inspected the steering angle sensor and one wire was slightly cut, it seems and reconnected not sure why. I have tightened the sensor to make sure it's not loose.

I haven't attempted to start the car because I'm still waiting for the new thermostat and housing, replacement of missing fuses and horn relay.

Lastly, I have noticed now after reconnecting the ECU, when ignition is switched on, the cooling fan begins to run I wonder what this means.
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Saturday, October 14th, 2023 AT 7:44 AM
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I don't see the picture. I would replace all missing fuses and relays to start, then repair the wiring. Once that is done clear the code and re-run them. Please let me know.
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Saturday, October 14th, 2023 AT 11:00 AM
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Thanks Ken, I reattached both pictures. Perhaps you might have an idea about where these should be leading?
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Monday, October 16th, 2023 AT 3:15 AM
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Not really, try to look around to see inside the connector for an open terminal. Is there any other loose wiring around?
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Monday, October 16th, 2023 AT 9:33 AM
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I will check and give you feedback. Generally, I'll give you feedback once all fuses and the crank sensor switch have been replaced and all the codes cleared. Thanks for your quick assistance.
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Tuesday, October 17th, 2023 AT 3:00 AM
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Sounds good, it is a good idea to go over the wiring and fuses before doing a deep dive into the problem. Please let me know.
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Tuesday, October 17th, 2023 AT 9:41 AM
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Hello,

Ken, thanks for your inputs. I do have an update

Quick update:

Found that the cable to the camshaft position sensor (connector) was corroded- fixed

primed enough fuel and removed bubbles and car started. The result is that its idling rough, more like misfiring. I have cleared all the errors, but the camshaft fault seems coming back.

Another worrying factor is that when analyzing live data from obdeleven, on the 'Injector Status' channel, it seems as if the only responsive injector/cylinder when revving the car is Cylinder 2. The other three don't present any values at all. Please also note that the 'three' PD injectors installed have not been coded/adapted - not sure if this is the issue. But here's an attachment of the screenshot of the channel.

Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.
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Sunday, November 12th, 2023 AT 2:28 AM
Tiny
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This can be caused by a fuel injector that is shorted or you have a bad PCM.

Here is a guide to help you test the injectors and how to change out the PCM in case the injectors test okay:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-test-a-fuel-injector

I have left the location and instructions on how to change out the PCM, you can get a preprogrammed unit by searching Google or Ebay. Check out the images (below). Let us know how it goes.
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Monday, November 13th, 2023 AT 8:59 AM
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Thanks Ken, will revert with all the results on the above. Tons of appreciation.
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Tuesday, November 14th, 2023 AT 6:11 AM
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Ken, here once again. I have just discovered that the above screenshot of the obdeleven on the Injector Status with the value 16 has to do with a faulty injector on cylinder 2. What do you think? I will have to then replace it and get some values on the injector quantity deviation to see how much they spray.
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Tuesday, November 14th, 2023 AT 12:18 PM
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Yep, a bad injector can cause this problem, let me know what you find after the fuel injector test.
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Thursday, November 16th, 2023 AT 9:58 AM
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I have run the injector idle test and still running rough though. As promised, I have attached the screenshot of the injector idle values. Please let me know your thoughts on the values. I could suspect cylinders 2 and 3 but I could be wrong.
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Friday, November 17th, 2023 AT 10:47 AM
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I would remove the electrical connectors from the injectors and use a voltmeter to test the Ohms across all injectors and report back please.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-use-a-voltmeter

Please go over this guide and get back to us.
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Friday, November 17th, 2023 AT 11:30 AM

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