Cranking issue

Tiny
ZEALANDMAN1
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  • 2006 SUZUKI GRAND VITARA
  • 2.7L
  • V6
  • 4WD
  • AUTOMATIC
  • 240,000 MILES
My wife was driving the car and she said dash lights started popping on and before she could do anything, the engine shut off.
I went to see what was going on. Car engine would spin but not crank. I suspected possibly the starter and towed it home.
When I got it hone I noticed the water pump serpentine belt had broken.
At that point I suspected possible timing chain issues as the engine has 240,000 miles but runs like brand new. Always PM all my vehicles with the best oil and parts I can buy. Mobil One Oil and Mobil One Filter.
I tore the engine down and found that the timing chains (3) were all intact. Nothing broken and chains were really not that bad. Premium quality!
Having done the tear down I figured it was a great time to replace the timing with a complete new set of chains, gears, tensioners, etc. Had all the timing marks as per stated. (I own the Shop service manual) and followed instructions to the tee double checking everything. I know I have that all right as I have turned wrenches for over 50 years.
I put everything back together using new gaskets, belts, water pump, new starter etc, nothing short changed!
After completing the repair I go to start the engine and nothing changed, still spinning but not cranking.
My question: The serpentine belt broke (it has 2). The one that broke is the water pump. I can't see how there could be any valve damage as it has timing chains which were not broken. Do you think it overheated and wasted the heads and head gaskets? I can't think of anything else it could be. Interference or non-interference engine plays no part here as it has timing chains and therefore a serpentine belt issue should not bend valves.
Saturday, January 26th, 2019 AT 1:19 PM

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Tiny
JACOBANDNICKOLAS
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Hi and thanks for using 2CarPros.

Are you getting spark and fuel to the engine? And I agree, this has nothing to do with timing. However, if timing has jumped a couple teeth, it can cause damage and this is an interference engine.

I note that you are a mechanic. With that in mind, check for spark and fuel to the engine. I will note that the cam sensor is mounted on the timing belt cover, so make sure wiring hasn't been damaged. The crank sensor is on the transmission, so that isn't an issue.

If you have spark, fuel, and an injector pulse, then I would be checking engine compression. If you have all of them, it should run. One is the problem. I attached a picture of the cam sensor location. Also, make sure when the belt broke that no wiring was damaged or disconnected. If it was jumping around hitting things, it could have damaged grounds or anything.

If you need any info related to this vehicle, let me know.

Take care,
Joe
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Saturday, January 26th, 2019 AT 10:07 PM
Tiny
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Been through all that. The engine isn't cranking (ghug. Ghug. Ghug) it's just a fast steady wizzing sound. It's like the starter isn't engaging but I know it is because everything turns. My concern is something head related or fuse or relay. I'm going to have to dig deeper into things l etc.
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Monday, January 28th, 2019 AT 2:09 PM
Tiny
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Of you see the engine is turning, and it is turning fast and making a strange noise, are you sure the timing chain didn't break? Can you record the sound it makes when cranking and upload it for me?

Joe
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Monday, January 28th, 2019 AT 6:22 PM
Tiny
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I just replaced all the timing chains, gears, tensioners etc. If a timing chain was broke the engine would not turn everything over as there are three separate timing chains. It sounds like the starter is just spinning and not engaging however, it is engaging because the engine turns. I'm pretty sure I have head issues. With 240,000 I'll probably swap out the engine for a good low mileage used engine. These engines if properly maintained are trouble free! This is the first major issue I encountered in 240,000 mile. The only other issue was the EGR valve which is an issue on all vehicles due to Ethanol the engine killer! Ethanol is put in gasoline for one purpose to keep us buying parts, engines, and new equipment! Ethanol is sugar and has no place in any engine period! It also keeps dealers and repair shops in business which is good for the politicians!
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Thursday, January 31st, 2019 AT 10:25 AM
Tiny
JACOBANDNICKOLAS
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Hi:
If it is turning over really fast, then there is little or no compression. Either timing or an issue with valves or the head as you mentioned. Does is sound like the spark plugs are out?
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Thursday, January 31st, 2019 AT 6:22 PM
Tiny
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Yes and two heads in a junk yard cost as much as a used engine, go figure. With 240,000 miles it doesn't make any sense to rebuild the engine because it has to be pulled to do it correctly anyway. So replacing with a used low mileage engine seems the way to go at this point both time and dollar wise. Thanks
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Saturday, February 2nd, 2019 AT 12:23 PM

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