The coolant will start to boil out from the Denso bottle within minutes of running the engine?

Tiny
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I noticed the lower radiator hose is cold to the touch while the upper is scorching hot. I replaced the Denso bottle a month or two before this problem occurred. Since this problem I’ve replaced the water pump and thermostat housing assembly. The radiator is about 4 years old. I purged the air from the system, I also noticed gurgling noises from the heater core, so I disconnected and plugged the supply and return ports on both engine and firewall sides. Then I purged the air again from the system. Is the electrical connection on the thermostat housing a sensor that tells the thermostat to open? It came with a new thermostat so is there another sensor or is it a computer issue? My next step is to remove the thermostat from my old housing and see if that makes a difference.
Sunday, April 7th, 2024 AT 6:05 PM

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Tiny
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Hi,

It sounds like the connector at the housing is the temperature sensor. It doesn't control the thermostat.

Now, you said it starts to boil within minutes of starting it. I need you to try something for me. When the engine is cold, remove the radiator cap and start the engine. See if any coolant shoots out or if there appears to be air bubbles in the coolant. The engine shouldn't get that hot that fast unless there is no coolant circulating. Even then, I would suspect it would take longer than a few minutes. I'm questioning if there is a head gasket issue.

Take a look through this link and see if anything mirrors what you see or experience:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/head-gasket-blown-test

Let me know.

Joe
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Sunday, April 7th, 2024 AT 7:09 PM
Tiny
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Hi Joe, I may have exaggerated on the few minutes. But it didn’t take very long, between 5-10 minutes. I removed the thermostat from my old housing and ran the truck. It didn’t overheat when I was idling and checking for leaks. I’m going to give it a test run and see what happens. I know about the head gasket being a possible cause but I’m really hoping it’s not. I’ll know after I take it for a test run. The only other thing I haven’t checked or replaced is the ECT sender. I believe that is what signals the computer to open the thermostat or vice versa. There is also a CHT cylinder head temperature sensor right on top in between 2 spark plugs. So actually, it could be one of those or both, the head gasket or the computer itself. I’m off to take a run around the block. I’ll give an update when I get back.
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Sunday, April 7th, 2024 AT 10:40 PM
Tiny
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I am aware that the truck will not perform as good without the thermostat. On older cars it wasn’t as big of an issue running without a thermostat unless going up hill for a long time or hauling a heavy load or in the winter time. Here in Hawaii that is not a problem. Steep hills definitely but one could run without a thermostat if they know how to go about the driving conditions.
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Sunday, April 7th, 2024 AT 10:45 PM
Tiny
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So, I ran her a couple miles up a steep hill with no issues. When I got back, I popped the hood and was able to touch the upper and lower hoses. They were both about the same temp with the lower one a slight cooler. That rules out the head gasket (whew) DOHC are not fun to change a head gasket. So, it’s down to a faulty sensor or sending unit or both. I think if it was the computer, it would be running fun but it’s running as it did before this problem.
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Sunday, April 7th, 2024 AT 11:10 PM
Tiny
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Was the coolant boiling after driving? Also, the thermostat being removed can allow coolant to flow too fast allowing the coolant not to cool properly in the radiator in hot conditions. On the other hand, it can prevent the engine from reaching operating temperature in cold weather. Other than that, it should be okay based on where you live. Just keep an eye on the gauge.

Let me know if things change.

Joe
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Monday, April 8th, 2024 AT 7:09 PM
Tiny
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The truck is running good, no issues so far. I did some research and found out that ford added the heat assist thermostat thinking the engine would need it to help the thermostat open sooner since that particular engine was originally used in front wheel drive cars where it sits sideways in the engine bay. After 3 years they realized that it was not necessary, so they did away with it on the 2004 model and up. So, I’m going to get the water outlet and thermostat for a 2004 model. It is the exact same part minus the “heat assist “ plug so it will bolt right up. The check engine light will stay on. A resistor hooked to the two wires will take care of the engine light. I think I will go with the 180-degree thermostat since the outlet is on the bottom hose not the top that should keep the engine in normal operating temperature and allow proper warm up process. As of now the gauge only reaches the C and it takes a couple miles of driving to reach that level.
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Tuesday, April 9th, 2024 AT 3:56 AM

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