Clutch problems

Tiny
JEEP CJ7
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  • 1986 JEEP CJ7
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Need to pump the clutch twice to start shifting the gears. When I get to second or third or fourth gears I need to pump the clutch a few times to get out of gear and back to neutral. I checked master cylinder and fluid is there and no leaking around master or slave cylinders. I bled the slave cylinder but It feels about the same. Could there be something wrong with master or slave cylinders that not obvious by looking or is there something else wrong? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks
Thursday, October 17th, 2019 AT 9:27 AM

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Tiny
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Good afternoon,

Yes, it sounds like you may have a bad master cylinder. It is like a brake master cylinder and if the seals are bad, you have to pump it up.

I would replace both the master and the slave together and add new fluid for bleeding.

Roy

1. Disconnect hydraulic line at clutch cylinder.
2. Cap hydraulic line and master cylinder opening to prevent entry of dirt.
3. Remove cotter pin and washer retaining cylinder pushrod on clutch pedal and slide rod off pedal pivot.
4. Remove nuts attaching clutch cylinder to firewall and remove cylinder. When servicing the clutch master cylinder, inspect the cylinder bore for nicks, scratches and scoring, corrosion, pitting or roughness, cracks, porosity and excessive wear. Do not attempt to repair a damaged master cylinder by honing, and replace the master cylinder if the bore is damaged in any way. While slight discoloration of the cylinder bore is acceptable, the master cylinder can only be overhauled (resealed) if the bore is clean and smooth.
5. Reverse procedure to install. Torque cylinder attaching nuts to 11 ft. Lbs.

1. Raise vehicle and disconnect hydraulic line at cylinder.
2. Remove throwout lever to cylinder pushrod retaining spring.
3. Remove slave cylinder, heat shield, throwout lever pivot, washer and seal from clutch housing. On some 1983-86 models, fluid leakage from one or both of the clutch cylinders may be caused by formation of an abrasive substance in the system fluid due to a chemical reaction between the master cylinder to slave cylinder hose and the fluid. If cylinder leaks are observed on these models, proceed as follows:
a. Inspect system to determine which cylinder is leaking.
B. If slave cylinder is leaking, remove, clean and overhaul the cylinder. If master cylinder is leaking, remove and discard cylinder.
C. Remove and discard hose that connects master cylinder to slave cylinder.
D. Drain fluid from any cylinder not removed.
E. Install replacement master cylinder or repaired slave cylinder.
F. Install replacement hose 8953 004 162 for models with 4 cylinder engine, 8953 004 164 for models with 6 cylinder engines, or suitable equivalents.
G. Refill and bleed system as outlined, using DOT 3 brake fluid.
H. Verify proper clutch operation and ensure that all hose connections are tight and free from leaks.
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Thursday, October 17th, 2019 AT 12:22 PM
Tiny
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Thanks for reply. There is no leaking around master or slave cylinders, but I will replace both anyways to see if it solves the problem. I ordered and am waiting for delivery. Will have time next weekend to install new parts. I'll response when I install and test master and slave cylinders. Thanks again
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Sunday, October 20th, 2019 AT 7:05 PM
Tiny
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Good deal.

They do not have to leak to be bad. The seals inside may not be producing enough pressure.

You are welcome.

Roy
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Sunday, October 20th, 2019 AT 7:11 PM
Tiny
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I installed the new master and slave cylinders. I bleed the slave and the clutch pedal felt okay. But after 10 seconds when I push on the clutch pedal again it drops to the floor with no resistance. I pump on clutch pedal a few times and I can feel resistance but as soon as I release pedal and wait about 5-10 seconds, the pedal drops back to the floor with no resistance. Maybe I'm not bleeding the slave cylinder correctly. Any help so I can fix this would be great. Thanks
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Saturday, October 26th, 2019 AT 4:53 PM
Tiny
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It's actually worse than before.
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Saturday, October 26th, 2019 AT 4:54 PM
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That is an indication of air in the line.

Do you have a bleeder screw on the slave cylinder?

Roy
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Saturday, October 26th, 2019 AT 6:41 PM
Tiny
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Yes there is a bleeder screw on slave cylinder. I had my son pump the clutch pedal a few times and hold it down then I opened the bleeder screw and had him pump a few more times to get the air out then I closed the screw and filled the master cylinder back to full with brake fluid and repeated until no more air came out. It had good resistance at first but after I waited 5-10 seconds there was no resistance again.
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Saturday, October 26th, 2019 AT 10:43 PM
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Okay, you cannot pump the pedal with the bleeder open. It will draw air into the system.

Open the bleeder with the pedal down then close it and let the pedal up.

Roy
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Sunday, October 27th, 2019 AT 5:16 AM
Tiny
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Okay. My son pumped the clutch pedal a few times then held the clutch pedal to the floor. I then opened the bleed valve on slave cylinder until brake fluid squirted out. I then close bleed valve while clutch pedal was still on the floor and had my son pump pedal a few times and hold it to the floor a repeated at least ten times. It still feels the same. I drove the Jeep a couple miles and had to pump the clutch still to shift. Anything else that I need to do?
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Sunday, October 27th, 2019 AT 2:22 PM
Tiny
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Maybe a bad master or slave even though they are new?
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Sunday, October 27th, 2019 AT 2:23 PM
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Try the bleeding procedure I posted for you. That is a little different.

Roy
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Sunday, October 27th, 2019 AT 2:38 PM
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On step 3. I don't know where to find clamp J-24420-A. I went to a few stores and can't find the right size tubing that fits. I'll keep looking.
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Sunday, October 27th, 2019 AT 3:23 PM
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You could depress it with your fingers and then keep it depressed with wire ties for the test.

Roy
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Sunday, October 27th, 2019 AT 3:30 PM
Tiny
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I can press in the cylinder plunger with pushing against the push rod. But how is wire ties going to hold the plunger down? I'm not following.
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Monday, October 28th, 2019 AT 6:38 AM
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You need to wrap the wire tie from the rod to around the back of the body to hold the rod in.

Roy
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Monday, October 28th, 2019 AT 6:53 AM
Tiny
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Got it. So the idea is to keep air out. I'll try to work on tonight if I have time, if not it'll be this weekend. Thanks
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Monday, October 28th, 2019 AT 9:16 AM
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You are welcome.

Roy
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Monday, October 28th, 2019 AT 2:49 PM
Tiny
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Roy, it was raining and cold last weekend so didn't get out to work on vehicle. This weekend it was nicer. I disconnected the slave cylinder from the transmission by unscrewing the two bolts. I pushed in the push rod all the way and held it in place. Placed clear tube on bleeder screw on one end and placed the other end of tube in clear water bottle filled half way with brake fluid. Had my son press the clutch pedal down and hold. I opened the bleeder screw then closed the bleeder screw while my son had the clutch pushed to the floor. My son said it was very hard to push down. I screwed the slave back to the transmission. Made sure the master reservoir was full.(Had my daughter keeping it full). After we were done and I sat in driver seat it, the clutch was back to where it was before with little resistance. Do they make a clutch master and slave cylinder assembly where there is no bleeding involved because this is not working for me.
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Sunday, November 10th, 2019 AT 2:17 PM
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I checked with 3 different manufacturers and nobody makes the mater, line, and cylinder in one assembly.

Call the Jeep dealer parts department and see if they off it. They did in the later models.

Roy
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Sunday, November 10th, 2019 AT 3:06 PM

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