Clicking noise front left axle/differential symptom after changing axle assembly

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Hello,

Here is a video I made showing the symptom of the problem I am having:

https://youtu.be/xoQJAFXTo1M

This happened after I changed the axle assembly.

The noise seems to be coming from the seal input area of the differential where it meets the axle. But I am not sure exactly where the noise originates.

I had a chance to look at a couple of the spider gears (while spinning the axle by hand) as well as the differential fluid inside after replacing the differential fluid. There is no signs of anything broken or worn.

There is also a whining noise coming from the same side as the car increases speed and becomes more obvious at 70km/h and up, although it is not nearly as loud as a wheel bearing.

Thanks for any help!
Monday, July 30th, 2018 AT 8:02 AM

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Good afternoon.

It sounds like the inner splines are not fully engaged in the differential.

Remove the axle again and inspect the splines for any burring.

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Monday, July 30th, 2018 AT 1:23 PM
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Thanks for the response.

I think you are right.

The axle may not be seated properly (or fully engaged if that's what you mean).

I noticed the axle has a bit lateral play, more than it did on the right side when I replace the axle there.

I am going to take it apart sometime this week, inspect and update you here on the progress. Hopefully the problem does not get worse but the noise has not changed and remained consistent since I changed it over a week ago.
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Monday, July 30th, 2018 AT 2:38 PM
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Okay, sounds like a plan. Keep me updated.

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Monday, July 30th, 2018 AT 2:51 PM
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Hi Roy,

To update the situation.
I removed the axle and put in the old one back.

It seated in properly this time.

But unfortunately it did not solve the problem.

I can tell that it minimized the noise a little bit (whining noise while driving upwards 60km).
Also it minimize the noise when turning by hand, and it feels smoother this time.

I looked inside there didn't seem to be anything wrong. The splines look fine.

The bearings look and feel normal/smooth.

Why it is making a whining noise in those upward speeds is really a mystery to me now.

It's different from wheel bearing, but similar.

The noise kind of sounds like it is coming from the differential where it meets the shaft.

Or the noise is coming from rear bearings, but that would be such a great coincidence if that was the case.
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Saturday, August 25th, 2018 AT 12:43 PM
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The symptom is a humming/whining noise after 60-70km/h.

I do not know if the clicking noise when turning the wheel transfers over into the humming noise.

Also, after swapping the axle the clicking noise is much less pronounced than before.
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Saturday, August 25th, 2018 AT 2:07 PM
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I would take it to a shop and have put it up in the air and spin the rear wheels to be sure it is not a rear wheel bearing

Also, I would have them put it in gear while on the lift and listen for any noise from the front end.

It could be a carrier bearing in the differential but must be confirmed.

Roy
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Saturday, August 25th, 2018 AT 3:11 PM
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Thank you for the response Roy, you are the best.

I have already ordered the rear wheel bearings, which are worn out, but I doubt they are responsible since the noise happened right after I changed the axle.

I was wondering whether it is possible for something to have gone wrong in the process of removing the axle? Or if something could have gone wrong after not seating the new axle in properly?

Initially I used a pry bar to try to remove the axle. I applied it directly against the axle using the sub-frame as the support but I noticed the differential was moving a bit as I did.

I am just really wondering how I could have done anything to the carrier bearing as this noise was not present beforehand. On top of that I had added fresh new differential fluid.

Anyhow, thank you again, I will going through that process.
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Saturday, August 25th, 2018 AT 4:08 PM
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Your welcome. Glad to help.

If it was from the replacement, the damage resulted from the axle not being seated. It is hard to say what the damage is until someone can inspect it for you.

Roy
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Saturday, August 25th, 2018 AT 4:15 PM
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Just to update. I did not yet do full inspection.

But I have made some observations.

For one, the noise has not changed even after a month since it started.
If the problem was something like wheel bearings the sound would have worsened overtime.

Secondly, when I spin the wheel (at the differential) forward fast, there is a clicking noise that comes on and off.
I think this is the source of the noise at higher speeds.

However, when I spin the wheel in reverse it's relatively silent.

Now, the question is, why would the noise come on only when I spin the wheel forward but not in reverse?

My thought is that if it was really a bearing at the differential the noise would be apparent regardless of which direction I would spin it.

So could it still really be a bearing at the differential?

I am really now trying to understand the internals of the differential to understand why the noise would only come up in one direction.

Any ideas?

Thanks again
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Monday, September 3rd, 2018 AT 3:23 PM
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It does sound like it is internal in the differential. There is no guessing at this point. It would have to be checked by someone who can physically touch it, feel it and can find the exact fault.

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Monday, September 3rd, 2018 AT 3:34 PM
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Breakdown of the differential assembly.

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Monday, September 3rd, 2018 AT 3:37 PM
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Okay, after doing more inspection, there is lateral movement (up and down, side to side) in the axle going to the differential.

Which means it is the carrier bearing.

There seems to be an adjuster as well, not sure if that would help.

Looks like I have to now replace the entire differential since it is not possible to replace it from the outside it seems. A kind of horrible design it seems.

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Monday, September 10th, 2018 AT 4:04 PM
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Okay, I attached an exploded diagram. Number 5 and 27 are the support bushings for the axle. They keep the axle stable.

The carrier bearings are for the carrier assembly and yes it is adjustable, but only to adjust gear lash. Not the axle play.

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Monday, September 10th, 2018 AT 4:17 PM
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Hi ASEMASTER6371,

I waited out the problem and found that the cause of the noise was not the differential.
But worn out tires due to a bad alignment.
So it seems as if the noise when spinning the wheel by hand is not the same noise.

I still have a slightly rough the steering wheel while turning (not always smooth), which could be coming from the differential.

So I would say great design in that case? :)

Thanks again for all the help!
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Monday, December 3rd, 2018 AT 3:07 PM
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You are welcome.

Always glad to help.

The turning would not be the differential, it is most likely the power steering. Check the fluid level and if you have not changed or flushed the system, I would do it as maintenance.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/power-steering-fluid-flush

Roy
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Monday, December 3rd, 2018 AT 3:16 PM
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Hi ASEMASTER6371,

Thank you. I changed the power steering pump, lines, cooler and did a complete flush (all this due to leaky lines and cooler due to rust), but problem remains. I assume that the only thing left is the bearing on the steering wheel itself (there is some play about a 1/8 when I grab one end and the other of the steering wheel), and the power steering rack. When I turn the wheel at lower speeds (left or right) it feels rough almost like a bearing is bad. There is also a squeaking noise that sounds as if it's coming from the rack. I already replaced all the front suspension components - new front end. I sprayed some lubricant at the rack rubber housing and does not change.
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Monday, December 3rd, 2018 AT 7:53 PM
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The jacket bearing in the steering column would make noise in the car as the rack will make it outside the car.

Have you had anyone else look at it to help you track it down?

Can you post a video with sound so we can hear it?

Roy
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Tuesday, December 4th, 2018 AT 4:20 AM

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