Cannot find correct passenger tie rod (inner and outer)

Tiny
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  • 1998 DODGE RAM
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I'm having a hard time finding an inner and outer tie rod for my truck listed above 1500. It has a 5.2 liter magnum v8 engine. I've been having a hard time finding the part{s} or even aftermarket parts to substitute the original one but to no prevail. I called a dealership and gave them my vehicles VIN number, gross weight and some other information that the mechanic needed in order for him to find the specific part{s} that I need to fix my trucks problem only for him to inform me that the original parts for the truck have been discontinued. However, there is aftermarket part{s} that will work for my truck but he had to order them and it would take a week to do so and their price was $231.00 give or take depending on taxes and, or whatever other mess I may have to go through. I guess my question is what part{s} would fit my truck based off its make, model and previously named specifications. I didn't think about asking the mechanic, while over the phone, but I figured that if he gave me the part number and I found one for cheaper{which is what i'm trying to do because I don't really see the need to spend all that money on something I could find cheaper}. Can someone help?
Thursday, December 5th, 2019 AT 6:39 PM

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Tiny
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I found the listings on the Rock Auto web site, but be prepared;... I almost choked when I saw the prices. You can buy three or four of them for less than what I expected one to cost.

Your truck uses what's called the "Haltenberger" steering linkage design. Ford also used a version of it on many models. There are at least two versions of this system on the Dodge trucks, but in ten years, all through the '90s, as the suspension and alignment specialsit at a very nice family-owned Chrysler dealership, I never once ran into the lighter-duty parts.

Rock Auto lists these parts from many different suppliers, and some of those suppliers include Chrysler's original part numbers in their listings. Some also include dimensions to help you select the right part.

What kind of problem are you trying to solve? I rarely found a worn tie rod end, but they had a real big problem with steering wander. The first thing to look at is where the pitman shaft comes out the bottom of the steering gear box. Run the engine, then watch that shaft while a helper repeatedly turns the steering wheel back and forth about 1/8th of a turn. If the bushing is worn inside the housing, you'll see that shaft move sideways a little, bottom out, then start to rotate and move the steering linkage. When that play gets bad enough, the shaft will move far enough away from the seal to let power steering fluid leak out. A new seal is not the proper repair for that. The gear box must be replaced.

The more common problem was a worn track bar. That bolts to the right end of the axle housing through a rubber bushing, and to the left frame rail through a ball and socket. When wear develops in the ball and socket, you will never find it by tugging up and down on the bar. You need your helper again to rotate the steering wheel like before, then watch the bar by that ball and socket. You'll see the bar move up and down a little. That movement is allowing the axle to shift left and right a fraction of an inch, and since the steering linkage is a separate system that isn't moving, the relationship between them changes. Moving the axle housing, and therefore the wheels, to one side while holding the steering linkage steady, causes the wheels to turn a little, resulting in that miserable steering wander. Some years ago Napa had a "problem solver" track bar for this aplication, with a lifetime warranty. Those were a good investment.

Chrysler had a specification for the amount of up-and-down movement that was allowable in that ball and socket, but don't even bother trying to find it. I solved every customer complaint of steering wander by replacing that track bar, and on those I had checked with a dial indicator, they all had less play than what was allowed. I had to lie on the warranty form and say the play exceeded what was allowed, then it got handled under warranty.

On the newer models, they switched from a ball and socket on the driver's side to another bushing similar to what they used on the passenger side, then they didn't have any more problems.
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Thursday, December 5th, 2019 AT 7:49 PM
Tiny
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Thanks Man. I really can't believe my eyes when I seen the price on these parts. A whole heck of a lot better that $60.00 to $100.00 for just 1 or 2 parts.
Come to think about it, that leads me to another question due to the fact I know little about auto mechanics. My next question is being that some, if not, most of the parts don't necessarily look exactly like the factory part, will it mount, fit and work the same as the original did? I'll give you an example. From what I seen, the male part of the passenger outer tie rod ( factory rod ) was a little longer where you screwed the bolt on to mount it in place and the aftermarket one isn't as long as the original. I also noticed that the factory nut that goes on the original outer tie rod doesn't have a hole cut into it for the cotter pin as the new or aftermarket should I say does. Except it would make more sense to me that it would have a castle nut coupled with cotter pin to help secure the nut in place and won't allow it to go anywhere. I have this mechanic guy telling me that it wouldn't work for some reason and I personally don't understand why especially if it fits in place and the new tie rod provides castle nut and cotter pin for extra security. Does it really matter? Because I can't find a factory right outer tie rod. I was told they were discontinued on my truck and that i'd have to use an aftermarket part in it's place. Don't know if i'd stated that before.
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Friday, December 6th, 2019 AT 7:06 PM
Tiny
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The only thing that may be discontinued is the part being available through the dealership, but even that is not totally correct. Chrysler only makes about 20 percent of their parts. They buy the rest from outside suppliers, and those suppliers commonly sell the exact same parts to other retail outlets like Napa and AutoZone. A lot of off-brand parts are those same parts, just re-boxed with different company names.

Moog is one of the biggest manufacturers, and you can be sure they will be making these parts for a real long time. Chrysler will stop making them available to their dealerships because the only time they get them that way is for trucks still under warranty and Chrysler is paying the repair bill. After that, the dealer's parts departments get them from the same auto parts stores as you and I get them from.

The problem is there are often two or more systems, and sometimes they switch from one to the other in mid-model-years. Ford is really famous for that, so you have to know the vehicle's date of production to get the right parts. The nice thing with running to the parts store is you can match up a new part to your old one. Don't worry about the threaded end being a little longer or shorter. A quarter inch won't matter, but if it gets much more than that, I'd question if it's the right part for that application.

If there's no hole for a cotter pin in the tapered stud, it either comes with a lock nut, or they failed to drill it on the assembly line. Check a different part of the same number. If it uses a lock nut, once it was torqued to specs, I'd use a hammer and punch to crush a few threads right above the nut for extra insurance. The stud will be wedged tight enough in the tapered hole to hold it for removal of that nut in the future.

If you're going to mail order a tie rod end, they will list lengths and diameters to compare to your old part. When two different parts are listed for the same application, and you can't tell which one is right, go with the larger one. As I mentioned, there were listings for the "standard" drag link, and the "heavy duty" drag link. In ten years at the dealership as their only suspension and alignment specialist, I never once ran into a light duty steering system.
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Saturday, December 7th, 2019 AT 2:36 PM

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