Brake lights tail lights not working properly

Tiny
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When I apply the brake the brake lights and the tail lights light up. When I turn on the headlights the tail lights and the brake lights are on.
Tuesday, December 11th, 2018 AT 5:01 PM

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Tiny
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I would start with looking at the light failure sensor. It is located in the trunk, driver's side, tucked in on the inside of the quarter panel (pictured below). Inspect it, as well as all of the wiring coming to it and on the left side trunk hinge. This is a fairly common problem with these cars, and it causes all kinds of funky stuff to happen to the tail and brake lights.

Unfortunately there is no specific test spelled out that I can suggest to you. Both AllData and Prodemand fail in that respect. So you will have to kind of fumble around and try to test it. The part should be readily available at the local parts stores, and online as well.

Good luck and let us know how it goes.
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Tuesday, December 11th, 2018 AT 7:56 PM
Tiny
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I have already done the bypass on the brake lamp failure sensor. When I turn on my headlights my tail lights come on, but the brake light is also lit up. When I put just the brake lights on the tail lights light up also.
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Tuesday, December 11th, 2018 AT 11:49 PM
Tiny
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Okay. Did this start when you did the bypass? If so, double check your wiring. Actually, you should double check your wiring anyways. Some wire could have become bare. Also, it is still a good idea to check the wiring around the trunk hinge on the left side.
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Wednesday, December 12th, 2018 AT 4:54 AM
Tiny
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I have checked the wiring around the trunk hinge, it is all fine. I even ran a hot wire all the way from my fuse to my brake lights. I touched the hot wire to my brake light wire and all the lights still come on.
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Wednesday, December 12th, 2018 AT 7:52 AM
Tiny
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I have done the bypass on my lamp billiard sensor now when I push on the brakes my brake light comes on but my running lights also come on. When I turn on my headlights my brake light is already lit up. What can I do?
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Thursday, December 13th, 2018 AT 10:56 AM
Tiny
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Well all I can say is that there has to be some sort of wiring issue somewhere. You might have to start probing wires to find it, but it's there. I'll keep thinking if there might be any other potential issue.
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Friday, December 14th, 2018 AT 8:17 PM
Tiny
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I ran the hot where all the way from my fuse to the back tail light to the brake light and touch the wire back there and all the lights still came on. If that makes anything different.
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Friday, December 14th, 2018 AT 8:38 PM
Tiny
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Okay, thanks for getting back to me I really appreciate it.
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Friday, December 14th, 2018 AT 8:39 PM
Tiny
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Did you disconnect the wire from the taillights and then run that hot wire to the lights? If you didn't disconnect it first, and there's a short in there, then what you did would still send power through the shorted wire (as well as the lights). You'd have to disconnect/cut the wire and then run the hot wire to the piece that's still connected to the lights, if that makes any sense to you.

There is also a taillight relay inside the car. I'm trying to figure out exactly what it does, and if it could be the culprit, but I'm out of time for right now. I'm attaching an image that points you to where it is. You might see about testing it somehow.
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Sunday, December 16th, 2018 AT 3:20 AM
Tiny
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Okay. I've done an excessive amount of reading and have found almost no real information on the taillight relay itself. What I have found is that it could be the problem, but I'm not sure of how to test it. I found one online for $11.00 here: https://www.partsgeek.com/gbproducts/MC/7943-07068874.html?utm_content=MC&utm_term=1987-1991+Toyota+Camry+Tail+Light+Relay+Standard+Motor+Products+87-91+Toyota+Tail+Light+Relay+1989&utm_source=google&utm_medium=ff&utm_campaign=PartsGeek+Google+Base&gclid=Cj0KCQiAr93gBRDSARIsADvHiOok08WvCoOeB6nkbaohDiVWIXIkjJxbTi-Q3MIxwwNfFXGF-n7hbYUaAp-rEALw_wcB&ad=47433949212

Personally, I would go ahead and buy it just to eliminate it, since I can't find any usable information on how to test it. Your local auto parts store should have it as well, although there will probably be a significant markup on it. I know this isn't quite the answer that you were looking for, but hopefully it helps.
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Monday, December 17th, 2018 AT 5:29 AM

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