Brake lights do not work when headlights are on

Tiny
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  • 2004 ISUZU RODEO
  • 3.5L
  • 6 CYL
  • 4WD
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  • 98,000 MILES
I was pulled over the other day by a Sheriff who informed me that my brake lights were not working properly.

I discovered that the brake lights work just fine when the headlights are off, but when I turn on the headlights they do not work properly.

It is a pretty strange thing, because the tail lights are working fine when I turn the headlights on but when I touch the brakes not only do the brake lights not work but the tail lights go off as well? The only light that comes on when I hit the brakes is the little light at the top of the rear window?

How can I fix this problem?

Thank you,

Michael
Tuesday, February 5th, 2019 AT 1:19 AM

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Tiny
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This is actually a real common symptom caused by a broken ground circuit. When the tail lights are turned off, and you apply the brakes, current goes through the brake light bulb, can't find its path to ground, but finds an alternate path doubling back through the tail lights, over to the front running lights, through them and then to ground at the front. When the tail lights are on and you apply the brakes, 12 volts is seen on both sides of both bulbs. The difference in voltage is 0 volts, so the bulbs go out.

The ground is listed as "B7" and is shared with the license lamps. This is not going to be a problem with the bulbs' sockets because that would affect just one of them, not all of them. Instead, we have to look for what they have in common, and that isn't very much. The ground wires for all of the rear bulbs are spliced together, then a single wire travels up to the center console and is bolted to the body sheet metal next to a computer module. Unless someone was in there and unbolted those wires, that is not a likely place to find the cause of the break. You'll be more likely to find the break at the rear. If someone added a trailer wiring harness years ago and used Scotch-Lock connectors, suspect a corroded wire. Those connectors do not seal out moisture. Also look for badly worn carpeting in the rear indicating people have been stepping on wires that run through there.
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Tuesday, February 5th, 2019 AT 10:32 PM
Tiny
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Thank you Cardiodoc for your detailed response. I will search for those corroded wires and see if that does it.
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Friday, February 8th, 2019 AT 7:21 PM
Tiny
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Please keep us posted on your progress.
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Saturday, February 9th, 2019 AT 5:18 PM

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