Serpentine belt chirp and I determined that the idler pulley?

2021 DODGE DURANGO
45,000 MILES • 3.6L • V6 • AUTOMATIC
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I have a belt chirp, and I determined that the idler pully has dry bearings, and I spun the idler pully and it free spun and it wobbles a little. I also checked the tension pulley, but it doesn’t make any sound when the belt is off, and it seems good but when the belt on and running, I hear some kind of noise but it may be normal. I need a second opinion on it before I spend the money replacing a good part.
Sep 15, 2024 at 5:57 PM
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This is the sound.
Sep 15, 2024 at 5:59 PM
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Hi,

I do hear a little bit of a whistling sound. Is that what you are referring to? If it is, to me it sounds normal to an extent, but I'm not there to hear it and it could be a bearing related issue.

As far as the tensioner and idler, they could make the noise. If the idler pulley wobbles, that is not normal, so chances are it needs to be replaced.

We have the same vehicle I purchased new in 2013. At 140K, the belt is still original as well as the items you mentioned. With that in mind, I'm surprised there would be an issue at 40K, but anything is possible.

Let me know if it is the idler pulley that has a wobble, and I can get you directions for replacement.

Take care,

Joe
Sep 15, 2024 at 7:42 PM
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Yes, the idler pully ik for sure is bad cause that sims and its metal on metal sound when i put the screw driver to it but when i put it to t the tensioner pully i hear a low bearing noise but if I take belt off the tensioner pully doesn’t seem bad it moves like it’s supposed to without any noise and it's not dry but with belt on and running with the screw driver with the milk kid attached it’s amplified and I can hear it but ik sometimes bearings will make noise but the only one ik for sure is the idler.
Sep 15, 2024 at 7:48 PM
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This is the original sound.
Sep 15, 2024 at 7:54 PM
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Hi,

That is where I would start. I suspect the idler itself will resolve the issue. I attached the directions below and the torque specifications. Note it is 18 ft/lbs.

Let me know if this resolves the issue.

Take care,

joe

See pics below.
Sep 15, 2024 at 7:58 PM
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Thank you. I’m going to go ahead and replace that and get back with you with an update.
Sep 15, 2024 at 8:01 PM
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Hi,

Sounds like a plan and thanks for the update.

Take care,

Joe

Sep 16, 2024 at 7:24 PM
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Replaced the idler pully and the belt was stretched and the tensioner was good but replaced it anyway and still a noise I checked all the pullys and I spin the water pump pully and no sound but it makes a noise in and out .
Sep 24, 2024 at 4:41 PM
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Hi,

Is there any side-to-side movement in the pump? I wouldn't think there should be play, but anything is possible. Also, is there any evidence that coolant may be leaking from the pump's weep hole? If any coolant or other contaminate is getting on the belt, it will make noise.

Joe
Sep 24, 2024 at 7:31 PM
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I don’t see any play, but I can hear that noise when wiggling the pully.
Sep 25, 2024 at 3:40 AM
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My eyes aren't the best but that noise can’t be normal.
Sep 25, 2024 at 3:43 AM
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It makes an almost like a slight knocking noise when I wiggle the pully in and out, but I can’t see it actual moving but it’s making that noise that video I sent was what I hear.
Sep 25, 2024 at 3:55 AM
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Hi,

I don't feel that play in it is normal either. Is it still under warranty for this type of issue?

Joe
Sep 25, 2024 at 8:05 PM
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Nope, when bought the vehicle it costed five thousand to get this type of warranty and it’s way past what I did get I got an appointment with the dealer hopefully they can find what I did and replace it without costing a lot.
Sep 26, 2024 at 4:08 AM
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Hi.

I understand. The idea that it has failed at such a low mileage is uncommon, but anything is possible. If you have a chance, let me know what they tell you. If you decide to do it yourself, let me know and I'll help you get through it.

Take care,

Joe
Sep 26, 2024 at 11:51 AM
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It could be the way my gf was driving caused the belt was stretched to and it ruined the idler pully
Sep 26, 2024 at 12:03 PM
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Hi,

Certainly, anything is possible. But that would be uncommon as well.

Joe
Sep 26, 2024 at 12:04 PM
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Belt being stretched or the idler pully.
Sep 26, 2024 at 12:06 PM
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The dealer trying to say that’s normal ik that is not normal can’t be I shouldn’t hear it knocking like that.
Sep 26, 2024 at 7:56 PM
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Hi,

Since you have a belt noise and the play is present, there is a chance the bearing inside the pump is failing and causing the noise you hear. It's a theory, but it's possible.

Joe
Sep 27, 2024 at 7:21 PM
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They don’t check nothing the drove it in and cranked it up and said it looked good and that was it that’s why I don’t like the dealer but we sent that video to them they took the tech off of it and put another on it and he checked it and there going to replace it but he did say that was unusual for that to happen.
Sep 28, 2024 at 6:11 AM
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Hi,

If they are going to replace it, that is good news. If you have a chance, let me know how things turn out for you.

Take care,

Joe
Sep 28, 2024 at 6:31 PM
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Yeah, they are hitting us with 1,000 dollars to change it.
Sep 28, 2024 at 6:33 PM
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What? To change the water pump?
Sep 28, 2024 at 6:37 PM
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Yep.
Sep 28, 2024 at 6:37 PM
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Because they are mad because they couldn’t find the problem and I had to tell them to take the belt off and wiggle the pully and they didn’t do that they just looked at it and said it was good but I had to send that video to the service advisor and they took the tech off it cause he didn’t check anything.
Sep 28, 2024 at 6:39 PM
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Wow. That is frustrating. However, if you want to do it yourself, I can provide the directions. Let me know.

Take care,

Joe
Sep 28, 2024 at 6:52 PM
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Yeah, now they are hitting us for every time they take it back in for the first problem so I’m just going to pay it be done with them I thought they knew what they where doing but I was wrong and they also said the tick noise was the solenoid in the transmission but that’s a factory defect and not to worry about it is that true or another lie there telling.
Sep 28, 2024 at 6:54 PM
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Hi,

I'm not familiar with a ticking from the transmission. And if it is in fact a defect, the issues should be resolved under a recall or warranty. When do you hear the noise?

Joe

Sep 29, 2024 at 6:04 PM
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I hear a ticking noise when I put a screwdriver to the idler pulley itself it sounds like an engine tick and when they checked it, they said it was a transmission solenoid and that it was a factory defect, and that the car would go before that caused a problem.
Sep 29, 2024 at 6:06 PM
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Ugh! I have no idea. I'm not sure why you would hear a tick from a transmission solenoid when the vehicle is parked to you can listen to the pulley. That doesn't make sense to me.

Since you have to hear it with the screwdriver, I suspect it isn't loud enough to record for me to hear.

I did check to see if there were any bulletins or recalls related to a noise from the transmission, but found nothing.

Joe
Sep 29, 2024 at 6:18 PM
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I think it’s an engine tick idk where they got that from, I think they were just guessing at it all, but I’ll put the phone to the milk jug maybe it’ll amplify.
Sep 29, 2024 at 6:25 PM