BCM damage

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I have a BCM on the car listed above LT 2.4L that someone tried splicing a wire into fuse 19 (HVAC blower switch) and melted the plastic and blew the fuse which was the wrong size, 30A. It was supposed to have a 20A fuse.

Fuse 23 (HVAC ctl Batt) keeps blowing immediately after adding new fuse.

I don't get any power at fuse 19.
I want to know if I can remove the BCM without disconnecting the battery, so that I can remove the melted plastic and see if the circuit board has any blown components or shorts.
Do I have to disconnect the battery before remove the BCM?
If I disconnect the BCM, will it need reprogramming or code for radio?

Thanks in advance, Blake
Friday, October 16th, 2020 AT 3:48 AM

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Good morning,

Fuse 19 should be 30 amps. I attached the diagram for you to view for the fuse and the control.

If you have no power to fuse 19, most likely the buss bar in the fuse box has failed. That will require replacing the fuse block.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-check-wiring

Fuse 23 sends power to many things in another fuse block. I attached those components as well. You will need to remove all the fuses controlled by the 23 and then install a new fuse and see if it still fails.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-check-a-car-fuse

As far as the BCM, yes the cable has to be removed to remove it. I would just replace it and have it programmed. Yes, you will lose the radio and will have to enter the unlock code as well.

Roy

Body Control Module Programming and Setup

A new body control module (BCM) must be programmed with the proper regular production option (RPO) configurations. The BCM stores the information regarding the vehicle options and if the BCM is not properly configured with the correct RPO codes the BCM will not control all of the features properly. The Tech 2 software will automatically prompt you with the various RPOs available for the vehicle. Ensure that the following conditions exist in order to prepare for BCM programming:

1. This entire procedure has been reviewed before starting
2. The battery is fully charged.
3. A CANdi module is installed between the vehicle and the scan tool.
4. The ignition switch is in the ON position.
5. The data link connector (DLC) is accessible.
6. All disconnected modules and devices are reconnected before programming.

BCM Programming

Important: Use extreme care when verifying both the VIN and Odometer reading that is set in the service BCM. Once the VIN and Odometer are set in the replacement BCM it is impossible to change them, and if there is a mismatch, the part will be rendered useless.

To setup a new replacement BCM select Vehicle Control Systems, then navigate to Computer/Integrating Systems, once in the Computer/Integrating Systems menu select Module Replacement/Setup and follow the instructions on the scan tool. After the setup procedure it is necessary to perform the Remote Start setup procedure and brake pedal position (BPP) Sensor Calibration procedure. Refer to the Importants below for further information.

If the BCM fails to accept the program, perform the following steps:

Inspect all BCM connections.
Verify that the scan tool has the latest software version.

Remote Start Calibration, (if equipped)

In order to setup the remote start feature a Techline Terminal using the Pass-Thru routine must be used. With the scan tool powered down, attach it to the vehicle then connect the Techline Terminal's RS-232 cable to the scan tool. Select Service Programming System from the Techline Terminal main screen. Select the Pass-Thru procedure from the Techline Terminal's menu selections and follow all on-screen directions. Ensure the correct programming procedure is selected based on the component being replaced or programmed. Configure the remote start feature to match the original RPO content on the vehicle.

BPP Sensor Calibration

Important: If the BCM or the brake apply sensing system (BAS) sensor is replaced, a BPP sensor calibration must be performed.

Perform the BPP Sensor Calibration using a scan tool.

SDM Part Number Learn Procedure

If the SDM is replaced the SDM part number must be learned by the BCM. Using a scan tool navigate to Vehicle Control Systems, Module Setup, Supplemental Inflatable Restraints then select Setup SDM Part Number In BCM. Follow the on screen directions.

Important: After programming, perform the following to avoid future misdiagnosis:

1. Turn the ignition OFF for 10 seconds.
2. Connect the scan tool to the data link connector.
3. Turn the ignition ON with the engine OFF.
4. Use the scan tool in order to retrieve history DTCs from all modules.
5. Clear all history DTCs.
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Friday, October 16th, 2020 AT 4:48 AM
Tiny
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Hi Roy,

Fuse 19 of the BCM is a 20A fuse, not the engine compartment fuses.
Fuse 23 of the BCM is a 10A fuse.
There was a spare HVAC control module and after plugging it in, the heater fan worked, suddenly blew out the whole module.
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Friday, October 16th, 2020 AT 3:50 PM
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Okay, try disconnecting the HVAC module and see if the fuse still fails. All that should control is that module and power to pin 16 of the data link connector. If it does, you have a wiring issue between the fuse and the BCM.

As far as power to 19, there is a run relay that supplies power to the fuse. I attached a diagram for you of that circuit. The run relay is part of the BCM itself and is not accessible for replacement. The BCM will have to be replaced.

Roy
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Friday, October 16th, 2020 AT 5:44 PM
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Hi Roy,

No fuses blew. The HVAC module just stopped working, nothing. No lights or anything works on it.
I was not able to find any fuses in the car that are blown now.
No fuses blew after I replaced them and plugged in the other HVAC control module which was a used one.
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Friday, October 16th, 2020 AT 6:49 PM
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Okay. The A/C module is the issue

That leaves the BCM that needs be replaced

Roy
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Friday, October 16th, 2020 AT 7:07 PM
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How can I know if the HVAC control module is still good and the BCM is bad?
Also, the OBDII diagnostic port doesn't work.
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Friday, October 16th, 2020 AT 7:10 PM
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With the testing I told you to do, the BCM is bad. That is what provides power to the data link connector.

The AC module also needs to be replaced.

Roy
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Saturday, October 17th, 2020 AT 1:34 AM
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Hi Roy,
sorry I didn't double check the obd2 port after replacing the 10a fuse.
I checked all fuses and none are blown.
Hvac control module still unplugged.
I hooked up the obd2 and now, it works with zero codes and no engine light.
However the ABS light and Brake light are on and were on from the beginning.
I will check ign power always hot to the bcm and get back to you.
Could the heater resister circuit cause the Hvac control module to burn out?
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Saturday, October 17th, 2020 AT 7:18 AM
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No to the blower resistor. It has nothing to do with that circuit.

Roy
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Sunday, October 18th, 2020 AT 2:56 AM
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Hi Roy,

I printed off all your wiring diagrams because they are slightly different than the ones I am using.
I will test all the connections you have high lighted and report back with my findings.
If I need to replace both HVAV control module and BCM, I don't want to go thru the expense of both just to have them blow.
AutoZone sells a blue streak BCM that is the same number BCM13903M as
O'reilly's Masterpro BCM 13903M which is plug n play.
I don't have access to a CANdi or Tech2 software to program a new one.
The person who owns this car doesn't have the money to bring it to a dealer for replacement.
Can I be 100% sure that after testing all those connections you listed, that the BCM and HVAC modules are bad?
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Sunday, October 18th, 2020 AT 6:43 AM
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We already did that with the diagnostics that were performed.

I hope the plug and play works. I have always had to program the BCM.

Roy
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Sunday, October 18th, 2020 AT 6:52 AM
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Hi Roy,

I decided to plug in the original HVAC control module that didn't work because of blown fuses, wire splices every where and melted fuse connection at the BCM and everything works now, except the power door lock switches on front door panels.
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Sunday, October 18th, 2020 AT 10:59 AM
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Okay, back to the BCM.

Roy
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Sunday, October 18th, 2020 AT 3:46 PM
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When I start the car and take it out of park, all locks lock.
When I put it back into park, all but the drivers door unlock.
There is no key fob.
I'm thinking that it is a bad connection in the door switches or wiring?
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Sunday, October 18th, 2020 AT 4:24 PM
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It is very possible. Clean all the connection and retest. I doubt it will make any difference from the description.

Roy
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Monday, October 19th, 2020 AT 1:31 AM
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Hi Roy,
The door lock switches were the problem.
I cleaned the contacts and now, they all work.
This car was mess both electrically and physically with wire splices everywhere and blown fuses.
I am so glad the BCM and HVAC modules are okay because that is beyond my scope.
Thank you so much for your help in pin pointing the issues.
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Monday, October 19th, 2020 AT 2:46 PM
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You are welcome.

Always glad to help.

Roy
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Monday, October 19th, 2020 AT 4:27 PM
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Hi Roy,
Just an update. The heater stopped working again and I found the problem.
The red with black strip wire on the BCM red connector block keeps losing a connection.
Thanks again, Blake
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Thursday, October 29th, 2020 AT 2:55 PM
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Is the pin damaged? Is the pin in the BCM loose?

Roy
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Thursday, October 29th, 2020 AT 3:10 PM
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No, I don't think the pin is damaged because the red/black wire pulls out slightly. Unless I took the red connector (holding all the wires) off, I wouldn't know if the pin is loose. I didn't want to disconnect the battery to take that connector off because this owner doesn't have the radio code.
Should I take the connector off and see if the pin is loose?
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Friday, October 30th, 2020 AT 3:36 AM

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