Battery not getting charged

1998 FORD EXPEDITION

80,000 MILES • 5.4L • V8 • 4WD • AUTOMATIC

MR. BAD LUCK

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Hey everyone. Okay, I have the vehicle listed above i have had it for about two months it’s been running good until a few weeks ago I came home about 8:30 it was dark I noticed my lights started going dim until they went off. as I pulled in the driveway put it in park my truck shut off. Replace alternator and charge the battery started right up but after a few minutes shut off. so I got my multimeter check my battery was at about 9.90v. I jumped it again and started it pulled off the cables checking my battery again with the multimeter I can see it slowly decreasing in voltage so I try to excite the alternator by ripping it up to about 2,000 to 2,500 RPMs but instead of charging the battery I saw it using up more the voltage faster got my multimeter went to the alternator. checked to see how many volts I was pushing was at 12.5 nothing more nothing less but wasn’t charging the alternator. I looked it up said I should be pushing out 13 1/2 to 14 V coming out of the alternator with vehicle on so I went to replace it. but this time I figured maybe my battery was going out so I replace the battery and replaced the alternator again and still no charge. the battery stays on when I got the new battery for a good 15-20 minutes. Still decreasing in voltage the whole time trade exciting the alternator again by revving it up and still not charging. alternator is not charging. check the fuses make a fuse I don’t know what else to do. if anyone can help I greatly appreciate it. thank you!!!

P.S: My back up vehicle Mazda Tribute 02 it’s starting to do the exact same thing. someone please help!!!!

Jun 11, 2021 at 9:06 PM

JACOBANDNICKOLAS

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Hi,

For the alternator to produce a charge, it needs power. There are two fuses I need you to check. First, there is a mega fuse (175 amp) under the hood on the driver's side near the rear of the engine compartment.

Next, there is a 20 amp inline fuse that is near the alternator that needs to be checked.

I attached the wiring schematic for the charging system. I highlighted the fuses to check. When you check the fuses, confirm there is power to and from it.

Here is a link you may find helpful:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-check-a-car-fuse

Let me know what you find or if you have other questions.

Take care,

Joe

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Jun 11, 2021 at 11:12 PM

MR. BAD LUCK

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Joe. Hi and thank you for responding. yes, I’ve checked and replaced both even though they were good.

Jun 12, 2021 at 8:41 AM

JACOBANDNICKOLAS

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Hi,

Are you getting power to the orange/light blue and the yellow/white wire at the alternator? If you are, something is wrong with the alternator. If you are not getting power, go back to the fuses and confirm there is power to and from them. Here is a link showing how that is done:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-check-a-car-fuse

Let me know.

Joe

Jun 12, 2021 at 8:49 PM

MR. BAD LUCK

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The colors on mine r Gn/r And o/w. O/w I believe is the dash and yes the Gn/r goes to the PCM. I did notice today the Gn/r From the alternator it goes to right behind the mega fuse and it’s a connector from the alternator to the mega fuse it ends at a male. I had continuity from there to there but from the female part to the PCM I wasn’t getting any kind of continuity so as of power on the green/red I don’t think so from the plug. so I cut the wire and connected them without the connector still nothing. which is weird because I had power from the alternator two the male end.

Jun 12, 2021 at 9:22 PM

MR. BAD LUCK

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Joe, fuses are good, double checked every fuse except for relays and diodes. not sure how to check them other than switching them with like relay/diode.

Jun 13, 2021 at 4:11 PM

JACOBANDNICKOLAS

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Which wire are you not getting power to? The orange/light blue and the yellow/white must have power at the alternator. Are those wires a different color on your vehicle?

As far as the starter relay, power doesn't go through the relay for the alternator. It is a splice location, so the condition of the relay doesn't play a role.

As far as a diode, it is internal and is used to change an AC current into a DC current and it limits the direction of power flow in one direction. I don't think that is an issue either.

If there is a relay you would like to check, here is a link that shows how it is done:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-check-an-electrical-relay-and-wiring-control-circuit

Let me know about the power supply to the alternator via the wires I mentioned above. Also, if there isn't power, recheck for power at both ends of the fuses.

Don't worry, we'll get it figured out.

Take care,

Joe

Jun 13, 2021 at 7:26 PM

MR. BAD LUCK

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I posted some pictures (I hope you can see and understand them ) it is an o/blk from alternator to a fuse right under the mega fuse and g/y from alternator to connector and connector to the power control module. Connector to PCM no continuity but (not power) from connector to alternator have continuity (not power) could it be from the connector to the PCM I may have a break in the line where it’s not sending or receiving power through it? But I do have power to the alternator it’s only pushing 12.5 V with the truck on… I want to just thank you for taking the time and trying to help me figure this out I am very grateful and appreciative!!!

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Jun 13, 2021 at 10:22 PM

JACOBANDNICKOLAS

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Hi,

Is there power at this wire? See pic below. Also, there appears to be a connector (something black) on the wire. Check for power on both sides. Also, the light green which should have a red tracer goes to the instrument panel for an indication of a no charge.

I'm not sure why the wire colors are different on your vehicle. Do me a favor. If you open the driver's door, there should be a label with a manufactured date. Let me know what that date is. I may have to go back or ahead a year if it is an early or late production vehicle.

Let me know.

Joe

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Jun 14, 2021 at 7:46 PM

MR. BAD LUCK

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I will check for the power first thing in the morning. It’s a 1998 the door is from a different Ford from previous owner. VIN says it’s a 1998. It’s a 98 Ford Expedition Eddie Bauer 4x4 5.4. Yes, there is a lot of different things on this compared to my 1999 Expedition Eddie Bauer that’s in the shop.

Jun 15, 2021 at 12:37 AM

JACOBANDNICKOLAS

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Let me know what you find. Also, if you look at the schematic I sent, I need to confirm there is power to the yellow wire with a white tracer.

One last thing, the last pic you attached has a green wire with electrical tape on it. Make sure there isn't a problem at that point.

Take care,

Joe

Jun 15, 2021 at 8:41 PM

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I don’t see a yellow wire with white tracer.

Jun 16, 2021 at 2:04 AM

JACOBANDNICKOLAS

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Hi,

I'm wondering if something was changed. The inline fuse is in the yellow/white wire. It should be there.

If you look below, I attached the wiring schematic from the manufacturer. It shows it.

Let me know.

Joe

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Jun 16, 2021 at 8:11 PM

MR. BAD LUCK

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Everything seems to have power but the alternator is pushing only 9-10 volts.

Jun 18, 2021 at 4:07 PM

JACOBANDNICKOLAS

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Hi,

If there is power to the alternator and it's only producing 9-10v, it sounds like it's bad. At this point, I would remove it and have it bench tested at a parts store.

Here is a link that shows in general how it's done:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-replace-an-alternator

If you look at the attached pics below, they are the directions specific to your vehicle.

Let me know what you find.

Joe

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Jun 18, 2021 at 6:33 PM

MR. BAD LUCK

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Okay, thank you! So even though this is the 2nd one? After I replaced the one when this all started then that one was putting out only 12.5 v with truck on and was not getting excited to charge the battery.

Jun 18, 2021 at 10:33 PM

JACOBANDNICKOLAS

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Hi,

If the wiring to the alternator is good, it is getting power, and there are no open circuits, that is what I suspect is the problem.

Remove it and have it bench tested at a parts store. If it fails, request a different brand if this is the same as the other new one you installed.

If you can, let me know what is found. I'm interested in knowing.

Take care of yourself,

Joe

Jun 19, 2021 at 7:46 PM

MR. BAD LUCK

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Hi, sorry I had a family emergency I was out of town. I took it in still the same thing it passed on there tester.

Jun 25, 2021 at 3:50 PM

JACOBANDNICKOLAS

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Hi,

We are missing something simple. I know it. For sure, the two wires I mentioned, in the beginning, are getting power at the alternator? Is there any change in voltage when the vehicle is started?

Joe

Jun 25, 2021 at 7:46 PM

MR. BAD LUCK

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Yes, it will start off about 12.7 down to as low as 10v.

Jun 26, 2021 at 2:41 AM

JACOBANDNICKOLAS

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Is the 12.7v also there when the engine isn't running? I'm just trying to determine if that is simply battery voltage. I'm sorry for so many questions. This just isn't making sense. If you have power to the alternator and it is good, it should be producing a charge.

I'm wondering if there is something I'm missing because of the difference in wiring color. Or, is the alternator the same as the one you removed? Maybe they gave you the wrong type.

Let me know.

Joe

Jun 26, 2021 at 7:25 PM