Battery light turning on after replacing the alternator?

Tiny
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  • 2011 JEEP LIBERTY
  • 3.7L
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  • 4WD
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  • 202,012 MILES
I just recently had the battery and alternator replaced, the battery was replaced 2 weeks ago, and the alternator was replaced today. The battery light is still coming on. I took the battery to be recharged once the alternator was replaced. I got the battery post replaced as well thinking that was the problem, but it wasn't. I drove the car for about 5 minutes to see if the light would eventually turn off, but it made the battery go dead. What could be the issue?
Thursday, April 11th, 2024 AT 11:02 PM

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Tiny
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The first thing we need to do is see if that alternator is charging you may have a defective unit. Here is a guide to show you how which is easy to do:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-check-a-car-alternator

If the alternator is not changing let's check for power at the red wire with the connector unplugged. This guide can show you how:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-use-a-test-light-circuit-tester

If you have power and the alternator is not charging you have a defective unit, here is how to change it out:

Disconnect and isolate the negative battery cable
Unplug the field circuit (3) from generator.
Remove the B+ terminal nut (1) and wire (2).

Remove the serpentine belt (Refer to 07 - Cooling/Accessory Drive/BELT, Serpentine - Removal) .
Remove the lower front generator mounting retainer (5).
Remove the three mounting retainers.
Remove the generator from the vehicle.

Install the generator into the vehicle.
Install the three mounting retainers. Tighten to 25 Nm (18 Ft. Lbs.).
Install ground wire on mounting stud (4).
Install the lower front ground wire mounting nut (5). Tighten to 24 Nm (18 Ft. Lbs)
Install the serpentine belt (Refer to 07 - Cooling/Accessory Drive/BELT, Serpentine - Installation) .

Install the B+ terminal to the generator stud. Tighten to 17 Nm (150 In. Lbs.).
Plug in the field circuit to the generator.
Connect the negative battery cable.

Check out the images (below). Please upload pictures or videos in your response to the problem so we can see what's going on.
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Friday, April 12th, 2024 AT 6:28 PM
Tiny
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I had a brand new alternator installed today( the other didn't have enough wattage) and it's the battery light is still coming on. I took it to the local O'Reily's and the guy said that when he plugged it up it was coming up the voltage regulator but when I googled how to replace that part, there's no such part. I do need to let you know that my original alternator started smoking when it went bad. Do you think that maybe one of those wires may have gotten melted? Im all out of options and at my wits ends with this jeep.
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Saturday, April 20th, 2024 AT 6:33 PM
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Hi guys. I'm waiting to learn the solution. In the meantime, the voltage regulator is built into the Engine Computer. Chrysler has done that since the 1980s. It used to control the ground side of the alternator's field winding, but somewhere around 2005 they changed to controlling the 12-volt side. Hope that helps you reach the diagnosis.
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Saturday, April 20th, 2024 AT 7:53 PM
Tiny
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So what would be the next step? Replacing the computer? Or trying to find out exactly where the wire thats causing it to fail?
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Saturday, April 20th, 2024 AT 8:32 PM
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Ken will be back to continue on. He knows what has been done so far. In the meantime, I'll look at a diagram to see how the system is wired in case my wondrous wisdom is needed.
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Saturday, April 20th, 2024 AT 8:53 PM
Tiny
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I just took it to the local shop because it looked like it may have been a wiring issue.
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Monday, April 22nd, 2024 AT 5:27 PM
Tiny
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It looks to me like they're still using the older, easy-to-diagnose-circuit. The first diagram is the aftermarket version of the charging system, but to help explain it, they left out a few details. I added them in the second diagram. In older models, the 12 volt supply was switched on through the automatic shutdown (ASD) relay that also powered up the injectors and ignition coil(s). Here they show it coming directly from fuse M28 in the under-hood fuse box. I'd like you to tell me if you have that 12 volts on the back of the alternator all the time, just when the ignition switch is in "run", or only when the engine is running. On older models it was just when the engine was running. We'll get to that shortly.

In the second diagram, I used arrows to show the current path to make the electromagnetic field in the alternator. Where I put the red arrowed line, there is actually a hard-wired connection inside the Engine Computer. Current flows through the computer, then through the spinning field coil and a pair of brushes to make the contacts. It leaves the alternator and continues back to the computer where it flows through the voltage regulator circuitry, then to ground. If anything interrupts that current path, no electromagnetic field will be developed, and the alternator will stop working. By far the most common cause of that, especially at higher mileages, is worn brushes. Those always start out as an intermittent no-charge condition that gets worse and worse over months, Those brushes can be replaced separately for about ten dollars.

The next suspect would be a break in the brown / dark green wire going to the computer. Far down on the list of suspects would be the voltage regulator circuitry. That causes relatively little trouble.

The place to start is by measuring the three voltages on the back of the alternator. To be valid, that must be done with the engine running. There must always be full system voltage on the large bolted on output wire. The other two are usually two very small nuts holding two tabs coming out of a black plastic block. On newer models they changed that to a pair of wires in a small two-wire plug. That way you can tell which wire is which. One of them must have full system voltage, (12 volts or a little more). If that is missing, check the fuse. The key is the other small terminal. That one must have less than 12 volts, but not 0 volts. You'll typically find between 4 - 11 volts. The lower that voltage is, the higher the difference is between the two, and the stronger magnetic field that is being developed, and therefore, more output current.

You're going to find one of three conditions on that second wire. If you find less voltage on the brown / dark green wire than on the gray / red wire, that half of the alternator is working properly. If you find 0 volts, the brushes are worn. Either replace them, or most people just replace the entire alternator. If you find exactly the same voltage on both smaller wires, typically just under 12.6 volts, there's a break in the circuit after the alternator, starting with that brown / dark green wire. There's usually a connector in that wire, but these aftermarket diagrams often don't show them. That's a good place to find corroded terminals. This can also be caused by a defective voltage regulator circuit inside the computer.

When you do find the same voltage on both smaller wires, we'd like to verify the alternator itself is okay when we put a repair estimate together. To do that, ground the brown / dark green wire. That will make the alternator charge wide open. To be safe, don't raise engine speed during the few seconds it takes to perform this test. If the head lights are on, they'll get brighter. You'll hear the alternator whine, and it will drag engine speed down a little.

For the benefit of others researching this topic, when you have the same voltage on both wires, and they travel through that black plastic block I mentioned, there's no way to know which color wire goes to which terminal. If you do the test and ground the wrong wire, you'll blow the fuse. On older models from the '90s, you will likely burn out the connection in the computer. There's an easy way to figure out which terminal to ground. It can't be done with a voltmeter, and it can't be done with a test light. It IS easy to figure out when using both at the same time. I can elaborate on that if it becomes necessary.

When you have the regular two-wire connector, you can see which wire is which, so figuring out which one to ground is simply a matter of looking at them.

When you find the correct 4 - 11 volts on the brown / dark green wire, that only means the input section is working. The alternator can still be defective if there's a defect in the output section. I can elaborate on that too, but it doesn't apply here to the problem we're trying to solve.

Let me know what you find with these three voltages, then, if Ken doesn't see your reply first, I'll continue on.
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Monday, April 22nd, 2024 AT 7:31 PM

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