Battery drain

Tiny
MAILIBU1955
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  • 2011 BMW 328XI
  • 6 CYL
  • 4WD
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  • 86,000 MILES
Recently battery would drain after car sat for two days. Battery and charging system test okay. Problem just recently began.
Friday, January 24th, 2020 AT 5:14 PM

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Tiny
SCGRANTURISMO
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Hello,

This sounds like a common problem called parasitic draw. Here is a link to a generic explaining about parasitic draw below:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/car-battery-dead-overnight

Here is a detailed guide explaining how to track down parasitic draw in any automobile in the diagrams down below. Please go through these guides and get back to us with what you find out.

Thanks,
Alex
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Friday, January 24th, 2020 AT 7:21 PM
Tiny
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European vehicles have way too much electrical that they actually came out with a bulletin. You basically need to visit your local dealer or a BMW specialist to properly diagnose since there diagnostic equipment will guide them to the fault. Here is the bulletin.

2011 BMW 328xi Sedan AWD (E90)

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Battery - Battery Discharged Diagnostics

Vehicle Starting and Charging Technical Service Bulletins Battery - Battery Discharged Diagnostics

BATTERY - BATTERY DISCHARGED DIAGNOSTICS

SI B61 13 05
General Electrical Systems

February 2016
Technical Service

This Service Information bulletin supersedes SI B61 13 05 dated May 2015.

[NEW] designates changes to this revision

SUBJECT
Discharged Battery: Energy Diagnosis Must Be Performed

MODEL
All vehicles produced from 3/2004 (except I-Bus vehicles)

SITUATION
The electrical system of BMW vehicles has been subject to an ongoing development process over the last few years. This has led to increased demands being placed on the battery. This document covers important information for the dealer on how to handle "discharged battery" complaints.

In order to properly repair the vehicle the first time in the workshop, it is very important that the diagnostic test plans are performed to completion, with all results taken into consideration.

Without performing the energy diagnosis test plan, the root cause of the discharged battery cannot be identified. This increases the chances of a repeat repair.

CAUSE
A discharged battery can have various causes, most of which do not concern the battery itself. A failed battery is often the symptom and not the cause. A fully serviceable battery fails when an electrical component causes the battery to discharge; the battery becomes internally damaged and must be replaced.

[NEW] For more information, refer to http://batteryuniversity.com. For this reason, replacing the battery is not usually a permanent repair. The cause of the discharged battery must be analyzed in order to guarantee a proper repair.

PROCEDURE
Before starting diagnosis, refer to the attached flowchart, which will guide you through this procedure and can be used as a reference guide for all E-Series and F01/F02 vehicles produced up to 9/2010.

All F-Series vehicles, starting with the F01/F02 produced from 9/2010, are equipped with advanced onboard battery diagnostics. This advanced battery diagnosis is now part of the energy diagnosis test plan with the introduction of ISTA 3.41.

For all models, it is recommended that "Energy Diagnosis" be performed on all discharged battery complaints.

1.Fault analysis (Energy Diagnosis)

  Complete the energy diagnosis test plan on every vehicle with a discharged battery.

  There are currently two paths to access the energy diagnosis test plan:

    If a power management fault is stored, ISTA will select the energy diagnosis test plan automatically.

    The test plan can also be selected manually: "Function structure>Body>Power supply>Energy Diagnosis."

2.Once the test plan is run, the number [1] "Most Likely Cause" is automatically displayed if any faults are found by the test plan. Complete the test plan by processing all the "Most Likely Causes." Start from [1], where the most recent cause of a discharged battery is listed. If no "Most Likely Causes" are found, the results screen will display: "Most Likely Cause (0)," is undetermined.

3.The following is a list of reasons for a discharged battery, indicated by the results of the test plan.

  A. Examples of vehicle faults

    Battery fault (aged battery - only on IBS-equipped vehicles)

    Alternator fault

    Vehicle is not entering sleep mode (sleep mode prevented)

    Vehicle is constantly woken from sleep mode

    Closed-circuit current is too high

    Closed-circuit current infringement

    Exhaustive battery charge (for information only)

    Terminal 30g-f shutdown due to start capability limit (for information only)

    Terminal 30F shutdown due to start capability limit (for information only)

    Terminal 30B electric fan or coolant pump after-run (for information only)

    Undetermined

    Lights/hazard warning lights left on for too long

  "Lights left on" is only considered a vehicle fault and can only be claimed under warranty if the following conditions exist:

  1. If other "Most Likely causes" are listed that indicate the battery was already heavily discharged (listed as for information only above).

  2. If the State of Charge readings for the last 5 days indicate a heavily discharged battery (typically below 40%).

  B. Examples of operating faults

    Lights/hazard warning lights left on for too long

    Terminal R or terminal 15 left on for too long (this fault may also be set when the vehicle is in the workshop - if the mileage the fault set is the same as the current mileage of the vehicle).

    Vehicle parked for too long

    Vehicle used when stationary

C.General Information

General information is available in the energy diagnosis test plan and can be accessed at any time. With the introduction of ISTA 3.49.10, additional information is now available for the technician for assistance with diagnosis of power management and battery issues.

    Results of the last closed-circuit monitoring sessions (only for vehicles equipped with an IBS)

    Battery (displays the current and last five days" values for the SOC and start capability limit)

    [NEW] Battery test (for the charge acceptance and start voltage dips added to general information. This makes extended evaluation of the battery possible, allowing potential damage to the battery to be detected). Refer to the attachment for more information about the battery test.

    State of charge histogram (displays the amount of time in each SOC range by hours and minutes)

    Average journey overview (journeys from the last five weeks, and the average number of kilometers per journey driven in the last five weeks are displayed)

    Immobilization period (the number of days that the vehicle was parked and not driven)

    History of most recent changes in the test module (displays the changes in this test module with this ISTA version).

If a new battery is installed, the "Energy Diagnosis" test plan should be completed prior to registering the new battery. When the battery is registered, the stored energy history is deleted. This may cause the vehicle to return if the root cause of the discharged battery is not determined.

WARRANTY INFORMATION
To claim an eligible faulty battery either under the BMW New Vehicle Limited Warranty for Passenger Cars and Light Trucks or the BMW Original Parts Warranty (eligible In-center workshop repairs), the Energy Diagnosis test plan must be performed to completion.

When required, a Midtronics' Battery Test procedure must also be performed. The Midtronic battery tester printout(s) must be retained with the repair order.

To assist you in determining the warranty coverage on a battery, please refer to the following guidelines:

Covered under warranty when the results of the Energy Diagnosis test plan show:

 A vehicle fault

 An undetermined fault; or

 An operating fault such as unfavorable driving profile (e.g., driven extremely short distances) and the Midtronics battery tester or Energy Diagnosis results indicate the battery needs to be replaced.

A "Stand-alone" faulty battery is claimed using the battery defect code listed in KSD2.

Other Repairs

If it is determined that some other covered vehicle fault and repair caused the battery to fail, the failed battery is to be claimed under the KSD2 defect code that applies to the failed (causal) component or repair (e.g., alternator, permanent failure).

Not covered under warranty when the results of the Energy Diagnosis test plan shows:

 An operating fault such as the vehicle being parked too long (vehicle parked for extended periods without proper battery maintenance), battery not maintained, etc.

As you can see, it is pretty overwhelming the diagnostic path for a discharged battery. As newer vehicles are equipped with more features, discharged batteries will be harder to diagnose.
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Saturday, January 25th, 2020 AT 12:11 AM
Tiny
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Battery drains after car sits for two days. This problem came on suddenly. Battery and charging system checks out okay.
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Tuesday, March 19th, 2024 AT 6:12 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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Hey MAILIBU1955,

We have a repair guide for this issue, please check out the link below:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/car-battery-dead-overnight

On a 7 series you generally have a quite large electrical system and it can take quite a long time for all of the electronic control units to go into sleep mode. It also has a battery monitoring system and intelligent battery management that should shut down systems that might be causing a drain.

It's a great system when it works but can be difficult to troubleshoot.

Has there been any recent work to the electrical system before this fault started?

What testing have you done to confirm the battery is okay, has the battery been replaced?

Regards, Joe
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