Will not crank

Tiny
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I hope this question reaches CJ Medevac.

My vehicle has sat for 3 months. Prior to that it was driven daily and ran “good” but not to a “t”.
Current issue: vehicle will drain the battery before I can get it to start. With jumper cables on the daily Honda, it will crank after about the 30th time. Then boom it runs and I can drive it around town doing 45-60 mph fine. Every so often it will spit and sputter and cut off but usually crank on the 3rd-4th try after I have sat at the traffic light holding up traffic. It has a Weber 32/36 dgev. I just replaced the very worn timing chain and cruised about 5 miles, stop and go in the neighborhood, without it cutting off. This may be because it’s 40° outside now and it didn’t even get hot enough for the thermostat to open. So maybe it only cuts off when it gets warm. But I dread driving it far enough to get hot because I don’t want to be stranded from a dead battery. Again.
Most obvious issue. Even with gas/starting fluid poured the carburetor I can give it a few cranks and it will do a hiss very violently out of the top of the carburetor. Determined as I am, I ignore it and give it 20 more cranks until it starts. I have not pulled the distributor yet. I have a new cap and rotor on the way. Any ideas? Does it sound like bad timing? To me it does but why would sit and idle good once it finally cranks? Is it a choke issue? Could be but why would putting gas directly in the carburetor produce no result. I will spark test it with a nail in the plug wire as soon as I get back in town.
Saturday, February 22nd, 2020 AT 6:59 PM

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Tiny
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Thanks for asking for me!

It gives me a warm fuzzy when folks seem to value my outlook on CJs!

Before we start messing with stuff, just to be messing.

Let's do some electrical testing.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-check-a-car-alternator

This is just one part from "Repair Guides" at the top right of our pages.

What are the voltage values of the static battery and with the Jeep running?

Do you have any other modifications other than the carburetor?

Can you lay the hood on the windshield frame, remove the air cleaner and take pics of the left, right, overhead of the engine (closer ins of congested areas) and post them?

Sometimes I can catch innocent deficiencies that might affect your running in pics (since I cannot see them in real time)

Since you are having some running issues, maybe this post (link) of an earlier feller seeking help might aid you. Disregard the 304 V-8 portions and stick with the 258 explanations!

https://www.2carpros.com/questions/jeep-cj7-1985-jeep-cj7-stalls-when-hot

Back then I had a different username, I was urged to change it.

I hope this has things running smoother and you are able to decipher my rambling on and on!

Meters, gauges, tooling are a must, tuning by ear usually does not work out well! I have seen most of this stuff at pawn shops and yard sales, EBAY works too! Anymore, these are not DIY items for the modern vehicle.

Return with news, we will continue!

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Saturday, February 22nd, 2020 AT 8:13 PM
Tiny
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Thanks for the response. Glad I got ahold of you! I will take some time to read through those things while I’m out of town. And I’ll get those pictures on here as soon as I return. The more rambling the better!
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Saturday, February 22nd, 2020 AT 8:20 PM
Tiny
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I'll be waiting on you boss!

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Saturday, February 22nd, 2020 AT 8:26 PM
Tiny
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Pics. Broke the dipstick tube so that’s my new one if you’re wondering what the heck? The rear hole in the valve cover is a dead end hose going beneath the battery for air. I was told to put a little air cleaner in that but haven’t gotten around to it. Just cleaned the terminals on the ignition coil and it seems to be cranking now! Is there a better connector online for that thing? Mines shot. But I would still like some suggestions on any issues you see in this engine bay mess.
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Saturday, February 29th, 2020 AT 7:16 AM
Tiny
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This may not be the correct size, but you can find one to fit into a grommet and just stick into the rear hole of the valve cover.

The idea is to keep the air clean and the "means" from getting stopped up.

https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/mr-gasket-open-element-breather-2049/17360161-P?searchTerm=air+cleaner+fo+valve+cover

I prefer the original way, back to the carburetor's breather. You can get fittings for the underside of the Weber's assembly to pipe it back in, thus drawing clean air from the carburetor's cleaner.

Picture below of drawing air off of my Holley's air cleaner.

I found this a while back and I stuck it in my favorites, although I'm quite happy with my Holley set up, I thought a Weber kind of person might benefit from it.

https://theprojectguyblog.wordpress.com/2014/03/21/weber-carburetor-installation-on-jeep-258/

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Saturday, February 29th, 2020 AT 3:25 PM
Tiny
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I just found you again.

Are we Jeeping yet?

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Friday, March 20th, 2020 AT 3:55 PM
Tiny
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We are! Had changed the distributor cap awhile back and it must’ve been a lemon. Put the original back on and it’s back to purring. Thanks for your help, I will surely be back if (when) any more issues arise.
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Friday, March 20th, 2020 AT 3:58 PM
Tiny
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That is wonderful!

Can't beat the ability to be Jeeping!

I'm about to take "Willy" out on strolls now that it's warming up.

Come back anytime, I hope I did help you along with something.

Feel free to post a picture of the beast!

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Friday, March 20th, 2020 AT 4:10 PM
Tiny
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South GA!
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Saturday, March 21st, 2020 AT 3:35 AM

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