A/C issue, PCM not providing a ground to pink/yellow wire?

Tiny
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  • 2005 FORD E-SERIES VAN
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2005 Ford E-350

With Multi-Function Selector Switch on Max A/C a purple wire becomes energized with 12-volts.
wire goes through low- and high-pressure switches which are both currently jumped with a piece of wire for troubleshooting purposes.
wire with 12-volts completes its journey and then goes to PCM.

PCM is not providing a ground to pink/yellow wire which goes to pin 2 of the A/C control relay, which should cause relay to click and join a fused 12-volt wire with a wire that goes down to the ac compressor clutch.

Is there perhaps some other data that is making the ECM unhappy? Some folks have suggested a power steering pressure sensor which will cause the PCM to cut off the A/C compressor if making a harsh turn at low speed, but my vehicle doesn't have one.

do I need a high end OBD scan tool?
mine is a basic Actron, it does show live data but probably nothing for A/C demand info.

if I bypass this, but still make sure to keep the low- and high-pressure switches involved for safety reasons and not be a barbarian hacker, then does cutting the PCM out of the equation cause any drawbacks? For instance, does the PCM automatically raise the idle to compensate for the A/C compressor being on? (I'd like to fix it the right way though).
Saturday, July 16th, 2022 AT 12:56 PM

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Tiny
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Yes, the PCM monitors several items to control the engine speed, does the system have pressure enough to activate the pressure sensors? Here are the air conditioner wiring diagrams, as you can see there is not too much to the system, I would check the dual pressure and high-pressure sensors. Is this a diesel by chance? If so, there is an electrical fan clutch which if it is not working the A/C will not come on. Check out the diagrams (below). Please let us know what happens.
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Sunday, July 17th, 2022 AT 10:16 AM
Tiny
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Not diesel. 5.4 gasoline.
That diagram is consistent with what I have. Provided pin 4 blk/yl gets 12v + the PCM should supply a ground to pk/yl pin 3, which clicks the relay and allows power to go to the clutch on a gray/white wire coming from another gray/white wire that is fused. Fuse compartment 1 fuse 3, AC/daytime running lights. This circuitry and every connector have continuity. The PCM is not supplying a ground. The PCM is stupid, whether there's pressure in the system or not if the low and high pressure switch connectors are jumpered with a u-shaped piece of wire 12 volts will go to the PCM and show a demand.
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Sunday, July 17th, 2022 AT 10:31 AM
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PCM's do go out, it looks like that is the problem. Here is how to replace the unit in the diagrams below. It is easy to replace because it is plug and play, I would try a used one to save money. Check out the diagrams (below). Please let us know what you find.
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Monday, July 18th, 2022 AT 9:28 AM
Tiny
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Do I have to get the new one programmed so it shows my proper vin? Is that something I can do with Forscan software?
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Monday, July 18th, 2022 AT 1:23 PM
Tiny
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According to the manual there are three codes that can prevent the computer from allowing the A/C clutch relay operation, and I have heard an overheating condition or wide-open throttle also can but that is not applicable here, and there are no codes present with my basic scanner. I may try a more advanced scanner. I would feel like a real schmuck if I bought a new PCM and it does not fix the problem.
Will bypassing the PCM (but still maintaining safety sensors) cause the idle to sag too much? Does the PCM increase the idle when the compressor is running?
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Monday, July 18th, 2022 AT 1:40 PM
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Yep, those codes any scanner should be able to read, so if none are present then there is no reason for the computer not to turn on the power, the only thing I might do is connect the pressure switches and make sure the system has refrigerant. Check all power and grounds again, if the pressure switches ae good the system should work, if not replace the PCM. I believe in 2005 you can use any PCM.
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Tuesday, July 19th, 2022 AT 11:10 AM
Tiny
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Which grounds should I check? I have found some with corrosion and cleaned them up.
As far as filling it up with refrigerant, yes I need to do that, I want to have an operational electrical system first. The pressure switches should not matter, if they are hotwired the computer sees 12v and it doesn't care! If there are no other pressure switches involved it makes no difference. But you're not the only one harping on me about it so perhaps I will fill it up.
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Tuesday, July 19th, 2022 AT 1:26 PM
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I am trying to eliminate anything that can cause us problems, I hear you on the pressure switch bypass, it should not matter.
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Wednesday, July 20th, 2022 AT 12:32 PM
Tiny
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I filled it up with r134a and made a switch so I could manually turn the compressor on as needed for filling. To my surprise with the dash selector on max A/C, I noticed the compressor was on. Sure, enough somehow it knows there is Freon in the system because it is activating the relay. I am fully aware of how the low- and high-pressure sensors work and how to bypass them and verify a 12v input to the PCM, it was very strange I could never get the PCM to supply a ground and activate the relay, but now it does. There must be another sensor somewhere I do not know about, nothing on the evaporator area, who knows. I must give credit where it's due, as advanced as I am and I know you are, your approach was simple in nature and very effective.
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Monday, August 8th, 2022 AT 6:40 PM
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Tuesday, August 9th, 2022 AT 12:37 PM

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