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302 stock motor with forged trick flow pistons?

Tiny
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I am currently building my 302 engine. If I am going with a b303 cam, am I able to use stock length lifters and stock length pushrods?
They are new so I won’t be using the old parts.
I am running summit racing cylinder head's part #SUM-162SBF185WIN
and using trick flow rocker arms TFS-51400510.
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Tuesday, April 18th, 2023 AT 9:03 PM

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Hey there,

Yeah definitely! That will be a great combo.

Thanks for using 2CarPros!
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Thursday, April 20th, 2023 AT 10:02 AM
Tiny
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Thank you, Ryan! You have been a great help for my first build. One last question, am I able to use the same torque sequence you used for installing your cylinder heads? I’m using arp bolts.
Part # ARP-154-4201
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Thursday, April 20th, 2023 AT 11:22 AM
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No problem! Thanks for watching!

So, your torque sheet on that is right here https://tech.arp-bolts.com/instructions/154-4201.pdf

3 equal stages up to 80 ft lbs. Then the sequence will be in the paperwork that came with your heads. I believe it is the same sequence as the heads we used but I do not know for sure so, double check with your documentation.

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Ryan
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Thursday, April 20th, 2023 AT 11:27 AM
Tiny
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I have the same exact paper which shows 80lbs So does that mean I have to torque same bolts to 80foot pounds 3x? Or go from 20ftlbs 70foot pounds till I get to 80?
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Thursday, April 20th, 2023 AT 12:31 PM
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That just means you need to do 3 rounds of torquing. So just do like a round of 26 then 52 then 80 all in sequence.

You are trying to bring the head down onto the block as evenly as possible.

Hope this helps!
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Thursday, April 20th, 2023 AT 12:44 PM
Tiny
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Hey Ryan, quick question is there supposed to be a gap between the oil pan and the oil filter tube? I installed a high flow oil pump and new oil tube but I’m getting a small gap in between.
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Friday, April 21st, 2023 AT 7:01 PM
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Any chance you can post a picture of what you mean? I want to make sure I am on the same page as you so I can answer as accurately as possible.

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Ryan
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Monday, April 24th, 2023 AT 2:05 PM
Tiny
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Hey Ryan. Can I run stock hydraulic lifters on the set up I have?
Stock block.
Lifters part # M6500R302
†With forged pistons trick flows -TFS-51404000
†B303 cam
†summit racing heads -SUM-162SBF185WIN
†rocker arms -TFS-51400510
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Thursday, April 27th, 2023 AT 11:03 AM
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Hey there!

Yeah, those roller lifters will work great for your setup! Just soak them in oil for 24 hours before installing. As for the pushrods, I would just get the stock length. But I think those heads have pushrod guides so you will need a hardened pushrod or else the guide plates will eat the pushrod away.

Hope that helps!

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Ryan
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Thursday, April 27th, 2023 AT 11:10 AM
Tiny
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Do I need to put the lifters in a seal container, or can I leave the container open?
So, for the pushrods is there a specific pushrod I need to get? Or is there any chance you can help me find the correct ones I need to order?
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Thursday, April 27th, 2023 AT 12:46 PM
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I just used a stainless-steel bowl, so open is just fine.

Just make sure they are hardened, they are pretty common. Most are these days but some are not so you just have to double check it.

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Ryan
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Thursday, April 27th, 2023 AT 12:48 PM
Tiny
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Hey Ryan, question for my arp bolts I only got qty of 10 step washers that I installed in the bottom, I was wondering if the step washers only go on the bottom. Or do I need to install them for all 20 holes?
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Monday, May 1st, 2023 AT 6:07 PM
Tiny
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Oil pan clearance.
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Monday, May 1st, 2023 AT 6:31 PM
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Hey there!

So, it looks like you got sent the wrong stud kit. The kit you have there is for a Ford but for an inline 6 application.

Here is the link for that:

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/arp-152-4201

What you need is this kit that has 1/2 inch to 7/16 inch reducers because you have high performance aftermarket heads. I ran into the same problem with my AFR heads on my build. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/arp-154-4005/make/ford

So, return that first kit and order the second one.

For the clearance on the pickup .250 inch to .500 inch is ideal. Typically, if you are using the pick up that came with the pan you are fine.

Hope this helps!

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Ryan
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Tuesday, May 2nd, 2023 AT 10:34 AM
Tiny
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Got it. So, I should order the second link for 1/2 - 7/16? And I’m using the same tube just ordered it new. And a high flow oil pump.
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Tuesday, May 2nd, 2023 AT 11:21 AM
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Correct!

Can you link me the oil pump? Just want to make sure it has the same installed height as the stock unit. It should but it does not hurt to double check.

Best,
Ryan
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Tuesday, May 2nd, 2023 AT 11:57 AM
Tiny
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Got them from LMR.
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Tuesday, May 2nd, 2023 AT 12:44 PM
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Yeah should be fine, but you can look in your bottom oil drain bolt and see if there is about a half inch gap.
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Tuesday, May 2nd, 2023 AT 1:17 PM
Tiny
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Hello Ryan. So, I was wondering if you may know what distributor will be a good one to go with the setup that I have? Will the MSD be a good one to run?
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Thursday, May 4th, 2023 AT 8:18 PM
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Hi,

I noticed you haven't been contacted for a few days. This post needs to get to Ryan, so I will forward a message to him to contact you.

Take care and sorry for the delay.

Joe
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Monday, May 8th, 2023 AT 8:37 PM

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