Idle surging and rough idle

Tiny
MAHOLMES
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  • 2012 CHEVROLET CRUZE
  • 1.4L
  • 4 CYL
  • 2WD
  • AUTOMATIC
  • 113,000 MILES
Due to idle surging and rough idle I replaced the PCV/valve cover. I also replaced the plugs and coil since I was already there. This caused a new vacuum leak at the front crankcase seal. I tested this by removing the oil dip stick and the whistle stopped and could hear a surge of air through dip stick hole.
My check engine light is on but not blinking.
My question is, would a vacuum leak at the crankcase seal still be causing a rough idle and surging?
Tuesday, December 18th, 2018 AT 6:51 PM

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Tiny
JACOBANDNICKOLAS
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Hi and thanks for using 2CarPros.

With a properly operating PCV, you shouldn't be getting that much pressure in the crank case. As far as the leak you described, that wouldn't be a vacuum leak but rather the pressure is blowing outward. Also, there shouldn't be vacuum in the crankcase.

If the PCV is good and working (check it for vacuum) then I question if there is excessive blow by being caused in the engine due to a compression loss via rings.

An erratic idle can be caused by a vacuum leak, or an idle air control valve. But again, vacuum would be drawing in and not blowing out. You may want to perform a compression test to confirm the pressure is within the manufacturer's specs. If one or more cylinders are low, that too will cause idle issues.

Here is a link that shows in general how to check compression:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-test-engine-compression

Here are the directions specific to your vehicle for checking compression:

Engine Compression Test

Special Tools

EN-48248 - Cylinder Compression Pressure Gauge

For equivalent regional tools, refer to Special Tools See: Engine > Electrical / Mechanical Repair > Special Tools.

Removal Procedure

1. Remove the throttle body assembly. Refer to Throttle Body Assembly Replacement (1.4L LUH and LUJ) See: Throttle Body > Removal and Replacement > Throttle Body Assembly Replacement.
2. Remove the spark plugs. Refer to Spark Plug Replacement See: Spark Plug > Removal and Replacement > Spark Plug Replacement.
3. Remove the relay holder cover.
4. Remove the fuel pump relay.

Note: The engine cranking time for the compression test should be less then 10 seconds and at 30 second intervals.

5. Crank the engine with the starter motor for 5 seconds to remove any foreign substances from the cylinders.
6. Prior to taking a compression reading, verify the cranking speed is greater than 300 RPM. If the cranking speed is below 300 RPM, repair the slow cranking speed condition before continuing with the compression test.
7. Install EN-48248 - gauge in the spark plug bore for the cylinder that is being checked.
8. Using the vehicle's starter motor, rotate or crank the engine for 4 compression strokes, puffs, for the cylinder being tested.
9. Observe the compression gauge and note the reading as the compression test is being performed. A normal cylinder reading will be indicated if compression builds up quickly and evenly to the specified level. An abnormal reading will be indicated if compression is low on the first compression stroke, starts increasing on the following compression strokes but does not reach the specified level.
10. Record the compression reading for the cylinder just tested.
11. Repeat steps for all remaining cylinders. All 4 cylinders must be tested to obtain valid test results. Record the readings.
12. Maximum pressure differential 100 kPa (14.5 psi).

Installation Procedure

1. Install the fuel pump relay.
2. Install the relay holder cover.
3. Install the spark plugs. Refer to Spark Plug Replacement See: Spark Plug > Removal and Replacement > Spark Plug Replacement.
4. Install the throttle body assembly. Refer to Throttle Body Assembly Replacement (1.4L LUH and LUJ) See: Throttle Body > Removal and Replacement > Throttle Body Assembly Replacement.

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Let me know if this helps, if you have other questions, or need help with anything.

Take care,
Joe

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Tuesday, December 18th, 2018 AT 8:05 PM
Tiny
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Joe,

Happy New Year. I wanted to give you an update. I tested the vacuum and compression and it all was to spec considering the 113,000 miles. I tested my new spark plugs (AC Delco) and found two bad. I replaced them all with the factory NGK's. I had also installed a new crankcase seal, water pump, and coil. It was still idling rough after all of that. I thoroughly inspected all of the vacuum hoses. I found the hose from the middle of the intake manifold that follows the edge of the valve cover counter clockwise then to a nipple on the turbo that is just below the main feed from the air cleaner box. I found it was broken out of top view in two places. GM lists it as "PCV hosing" 25193343. I replaced it and reconnected the battery. Check engine light is off and idling smooth. It is amazing how one hose causes a ton of problems. Thank you again for the great advice.
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Saturday, January 5th, 2019 AT 6:24 AM
Tiny
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Welcome back:

I'm glad to help. Honestly, vacuum leaks cause all kinds of trouble. You did a good job finding it.

Let us know if you need anything in the future.

Take care,
Joe
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Saturday, January 5th, 2019 AT 10:17 PM

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