My engine has a high idle why?

Tiny
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Good afternoon,

The base idle screw needs to be set at 500 RPM's, not 900. Adjust it to that RPM and see if the idle comes down,. If it does not, pull the connector off the IAC and see if the idle drops to 500.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/engine-idles-too-high

Roy
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302cid, auto trans 4x4-truck running 2500 idle, wouldnt kick down so I turded off. Now wont start. Have spark to plgs, fuel to injectors any help apprieciated-do not have tester for code and really cant afford one. Will most likely go to junk yard for parts, the usual, low income
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Tiny
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Clean out the idle air control, throttle body/plate and also look for vacuum leak-start here and let me know-also refer to this walk thru link: https://www.2carpros.com/articles/engine-idles-too-high
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Tiny
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Use carb cleaner, small bore brushes and if available a vacuum gauge

5.0 Liter the IACV is located on the throttle body assembly see pic below
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Wednesday, May 5th, 2021 AT 12:25 PM (Merged)
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Thanks rasmataz ILL give it a try in the morning.
One thing I forgot to add, when it was running sometimes it idled fine, then about a month ago the idle started jumping up and down and wouldnt kick-down manually. Once shut off and started up again it was usually o.K. For awhile then out of no-where it'd start jumping up&down again.
Thanks again
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Wednesday, May 5th, 2021 AT 12:25 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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Also I cant find the iac motor, I think its dirty because when I start the truck it idles high for a minute or so, I mean like 2 thousand or so. If you have any good advice I would be very thankful. Thanks chuck!
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Wednesday, May 5th, 2021 AT 12:26 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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This guide should be able to help us fix it.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/engine-idles-too-high

The IAC should be located within 12 inched of the TPS. Here are a couple pics

5.0L 302 Engine


https://www.2carpros.com/forum/automotive_pictures/188069_50294_1.jpg



5.8L 351 Engine


https://www.2carpros.com/forum/automotive_pictures/188069_58_1.jpg

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When truck is turned on it has a high idling until I quickly set it on drive, then it goes down to normal idling. When at a stop it also gets a high idling. Please help.
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Tiny
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Welcome to 2CarPros.

First, have you checked to see if there are any vacuum leaks? Have you checked for diagnostic trouble codes that may point to the problem?

Let me know what engine you have.

Here are a couple links you may find helpful:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-use-an-engine-vacuum-gauge

Here is a link that explains how to retrieve diagnostic trouble codes from the OBD1 system on this vehicle. All you need is a test light.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/ford-lincoln-mercury-obd1-1995-and-earlier-diagnostic-trouble-code-definition-and-retrieval

Let me know what you find or if you have other questions.

Take care,
Joe
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Tiny
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This has been an ongoing problems for years.

At Idle, the engine will sometimes Idle at the normal 500-800 rpm but the engine light comes on and stays on, (no code flashing). However! When the engine feels like it, the engine will sometimes start Idling high at 2,000 rpm at which point the engine light goes out and does not flash any codes.

Years ago, I took it to the ford shop and they said they replaced the intake gasket and that "seemingly" fixed the problem for about four to five months. Then it went back to the same issues as noted above.

I think it is very odd that no codes are thrown and the engine light acts as noted above. And being a rather good shop mechanic, I have done everything I know, and replaced quite a few of the sensors, map, idle, oxygen, exhaust, etc.
Nothing improves it.

The one thing I have noticed is that many of the 1985 to 1993 Fords (302) right passenger side exhaust manifold has a factory (defect) crack that appears between the two middle exhaust ports and ford never recalled this defect. Thus I ponder if the exhaust oxygen sensor is causing the issues due to the leak in the exhaust manifold.

I know everyone yells vacuum leak (somewhere) but its hard to believe that with all the maintenance I have done (and a four month old new intake manifold replacement) that the vacuum leak is the issue. If that were the case, then it seems that there would be a continuous high Idle, not an intermittent high idle one week, low Idle the next week.

Any other thoughts or suggestions?
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Wednesday, May 5th, 2021 AT 12:27 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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Hello,

This sounds to me like you could have a vacuum leak. I would check the air intake duct, Vacuum lines, PCV and PCV lines, throttle body, intake manifold, and EVAP lines for any vacuum leaks. You would be surprised what a little air leaking can do to an engine. I have included a link below for you to go to.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-use-an-engine-vacuum-gauge

and

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/engine-idles-too-high

Please go through this guide and get back to us with what you are able to find out.

Thanks,
Alex
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Wednesday, May 5th, 2021 AT 12:27 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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Thanks for the input and insights.

Even though it has its common colds and normal hiccups, I Love this 30 year old "Ford" truck as it hast failed me yet. Stuck in the 1970's and 1980's I guess.

As I stated previously, this has been ongoing for years (at least two decades) and In such I have went through this engine and done the carb-cleaner test in the accessible areas, meaning its hard to do the test in certain areas or around the back of the engine near the fire wall. Or without spraying other components.

Best of my failing knowledge and feeble mind, carb-cleaner and rubber hoses (maybe the nylon/plastic ones as well). Some don't like carb-cleaner as it can/will melt and brittle certain types hoses; possibly causing more problems and vac leaks. Thus as I stated, I have avoided those "blind" hard to reach and other areas where the spray and/or over spray cant be controlled. In such, WD-40 was my alternative in addition to carb-cleaner in certain areas as it too will indicate a leak.

In saying that, the one thing I have never done is check the brake booster for vacuum leaks as that eluded me, but that is a good call. So that might be the culprit or a contributor at any level, and definitely something that should be looked at just from the maintenance end as its a vital component.

Being that its an older model, maybe I will replace some of the vac-lines just for the hell of it as I agree they look a bit old, rough and dirty (but intact). But who am I to claim I can see vacuum leaks. It just seems that vac-leaks would be consistent, not intermittent when it comes to the idle issue.

Since this is a project restore and not a desperation of an everyday commuter, I will climb back under the hood and play around some more when time allows.

But as for the other I posted, Ford seems to have avoided the "right side exhaust manifold casting crack" that appears after certain model/year trucks of this era as I have been under the hood of many, some just to prove my claim, and every one of them had the casting crack in the same area!
In such, there is an Exhaust Oxygen Sensor down below where the two sides of the exhaust union.
Though this would be a constant pressure side (exhaust) and very little O2 ever coming or leaking in to the exhaust and reaching the sensor, I cannot help but to factor that in to some "slightly off" reading sensor reading. Outside of that, any backfire or escaping heat from the hot gasses, seems to be of concern as it might cause a flash fire or undue increase in heat to that side of the engine, thus causing problems to electric and other over a long period of time. But that is just my ramblings of insights.

It is also my belief that this crack occurs due to casting and stress from the weight of the exhaust pipe and components, but due to the age of the trucks effected, that issue is mote and speculation now. Lets just agree that Its not something a 6 pack and JB Weld or Pipe Wrap will fix. LOL
Maybe a header swap would fix the old beater issue when and if you have the money for the fix.

Lastly, and for others with plastic line leaks per the link you posted; some of these lines seem to be glued or formed together to the rubber connector. In such you cant remove the connections to easily replace. While you can cut and splice the hose my alternative is the "Liquid (rubberized) Electrical Rubber" (Star Brite Liquid Electrical Tape) and/or as well as electrical shrink tubing that can be used to cover/seal any small crack as to seal it up or after splicing as to ensure a better long term seal.
Still I recommend an entire replacement of the hose as this (and splicing) is only a short term fix and is not very pretty.

Thanks again for the Insights.

I will double check the brake booster.
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Tiny
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I have seen the engine coolant sensor cause this problem. here is a guide to help walk you through the repair with diagrams below to show you how on your car:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/coolant-temperature-sensor-cts-replacement

Check out the diagrams (below). Please let us know what happens.

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My truck idle will go high then shuts off.
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Tiny
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Hi,

What you described could be a few things. If the vehicle is being starved for fuel, it will lean the mixture and increase the RPM's then stall. If you haven't already, check to see if that is within spec. Here are the directions:

1982 Ford Truck F 150 2WD Pickup V8-302 5.0L
Fuel Pressure Test
Vehicle Power-train Management Fuel Delivery and Air Induction Fuel Pump Fuel Pressure Testing and Inspection Component Tests and General Diagnostics Fuel Pressure Test
FUEL PRESSURE TEST
PRESSURE TEST
1. Connect a suitable pressure gauge (0-15 PSI) to the carburetor end of the fuel line.

WARNING: Use care to prevent combustion of spilled fuel.

2. Start the engine (it should be able to run for over 30 seconds on the fuel in the carburetor bowl) and read the pressure after 10 seconds. If pump pressure is too low or too high install a new fuel pump.

Fuel Pump Pressure .................... 6.0-8.0 PSI

3. Reconnect fuel line at filter and install air cleaner.

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If that isn't an issue, then check to see if you have any engine vacuum leaks. Here is a link showing how that is done:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-check-fuel-system-pressure-and-regulator

Let me know what you find.

Take care,
Joe
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